AJ52

Now at 8 pages this thread is going no where Fast! More head bangin than good Info.

I've lost track,but a post started somewhere with a question about the best gun or caliber. BTW it all belongs in "Gun Forum" not here.

I'm gonna leave this thread open for now but I'm about 243 nano seconds from lockin it up.

Have a Good Day

little-d

there is more than a bullet hole there it is a busted open spot you could throw a cat through,if you look to the front of the wound you will see a dark red crack.I an't saying a 243 is a better killer than any other cal. it's just a cal i could use when i was busted up having to shoot one handed,my weapon of choice is a 50 cal muzzle loader loaded with a .451 -200 gr xtp hollowpoint.And your 308 cal is a fine choice as so is the 270, 7 mag or the 30 06 and any thing else that will chunk a piece of lead.Most of the big difference is when your shoot a deer with a mag or 308 or a 30 06 is the bullet goes right through unless you hit shoulder,will a pass through lung shot kill a deer you bet stone dead but when small fast flying bullets hit bone they explode and all the energy is absorbed by the body,and when that happens you also get a kill.I have shot deer with my 270 right through both lungs the bullet goes in one side and out the other and the deer runs a couple hundred yards till it runs out of gas,99.9% of the deer i have shot in the lungs with my 243 don't leave a blood trail thats because they never get to make a trail.

AJ52

I have never taken much stock in the theory the best round/bullet is the one that will make a "Pass Thru" soley for the good blood trail mentality??

I firmly believe the quickest kill is with a projectile/cal/bullet that will penetrate,expand and release its energy inside the game with No Pass Thru.

I have made clean pass thru's only to have the deer run 100+- yrds - and - even lost a couple to the "Marsh" with huge blood trails. I like to make drop dead shots with drop dead bullets. That's how I carefully choosel my guns and bullets. That's also exactly why I would never try a 500yrd shot with any bullet let alone a 243.

Just my .02

RooBoy

Having killed over 2000 mammals over 60lb I have come to the conclusion that bullet placement is by far and above the most important factor in this argument & huinting in general. Energy is beyond any fathom of doubt the winner.WHAT THE! yes its true, but,and yes there is always as in life a but.Your average hunter using commercially produced ammunition would have to give the trophy to the v-men . Lets simplify this for uninitiated,say a.243 ,this cartridge being handicapped by its heavier projectiles needing to be taking up more space in the cartridge chamber due to commercial gun design, giving the v-men an advantage.A 60gnhp projectile travelling at 4000fps loses its energy very quickly because it is short & lackes inertia, which slows it down faster also causing its trajectory to be unpredictable out past 200y not to mention wind. A 85 to 100gn on the other hand, if correctly seated out to the lands and worked up to near and just below the first signs of pressure, if using a projectile unlike the nails produced by the factories is a wonder to behold. Unlike me you cannot testfire your projectiles on roos.You dont want it to completely release its energy within a foot & you do not want more than 3 feet.Try some mud,or something containing mainly water.On second thoughts just mail me,nice hunting dudes,bye.

Whitehair

A 22-250 will zip a bullet, and a 45-70 has the trajectory of a rainbow...but what one is a more suitable elk rifle?
Thre really is no debate here...

BROWNING.308

WELL SAID U 2 ITS ENERGY

zrexpilot

I guess I did get a little off topic here. The debate is whether or not energy kills. I think too many people emphasise on this and the truth of the matter is energy is not what kills. If this were true handguns like a 45 wouldnt kill, it has very low energy. Energy is and equasion. Not relative to what actually happens when bullets encounter tissue. I have seen 22-250's hand loaded with a 55 gr howlowpoint leave massive holes in deer. Much more damage than a 30-06 or .270. would I use it on big game ? no. would I use it on deer ? You bet ya. I would take the 22-250 with the 55 howlow point over a 30-06 or similar caliber for deer. It has no energy but yet leave's massive holes in deer. You have to see one shot by one to know what I'm talking about, big, big, holes.

jaybird2

you are trying to compare a 243 to a 308? BIGGER is better... zrex you said bigger bullets make bigger wound channels and wound channels is what kills,well the last time i checked the 308 had a way bigger bore (bullet) then your suped up 22 (243) your dont even know what u are talking about. yes a 243 will kill big game if everything is pefect but what a 308 does it gives u more leway incase everthing is not perfect. if u done your research you will figure out that a 243 will never comepare to a 308 or 30-06. one thing is for sure is when i want to go hunting i can take my 308 and hunt almost any animal in the world but all u can hunt with your 243 is deer size game. the 308 is considered one of the best allaround (most consider it the best) calibers and its accuracy is at the top its a standered sniper caliber for military and police officals. SO all that is left to say is that when u have a 308 in your hands when hunting u will have confidence in your head and will make u a better hunter!!!! THE END!!!

zrexpilot

Here we go again.. the bore size is what 1.6 mm bigger Oooooh that doesnt sound way bigger. An expanded bullet would be ten times bigger then that. fact is go back and read my ballistics table. For deer the .243 is better. Its also faster flatter and more accurate than your .308 with the bullet I have chosen. Faster means less time in the air. less time in the air means less time for an animal to move. Less time in the air means a lot. At longer ranges the .243 has more velocity still in it. more velocity means more expansion, more expansion means bigger wound channel. the .243 with the bullet I have chosen is the better of the two, sorry. THE END!!!!

BROWNING.308

jaybird he could hunt rabbits with that 243 of his...id have a hard time takin it for them..The 243 is a peashooter should never be coompard to a 308