Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
12-10-2004, 02:38 PM
#72
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
This debate could be solved just by using momentum instead of velocity or kinetic energy.
The 17 was compared to the 44 mag earlier. The 44 kills a hog quicker:
Mometum=mass*velocity
KE=mass*(velocity)^2
17 rem 25gr@4040fps KE=906foot pounds Momentum=14.428 pounds feet per second
44 rem mag 300gr@1200fps KE=960 foot pounds Momentum= 51.428 pounds feet per second
30-06 180gr@2700 fps KE=2913 foot pounds Momentum= 69.428 pounds feet per second
243 100gr @2850 fps KE=1803 foot pounds Momentum= 40.71 pounds feet per second
An oldie but a goodie
45/70 500gr@1200 fps KE=1598 foot pounds Momentum=85.714 pounds feet per second.
The 17 was compared to the 44 mag earlier. The 44 kills a hog quicker:
Mometum=mass*velocity
KE=mass*(velocity)^2
17 rem 25gr@4040fps KE=906foot pounds Momentum=14.428 pounds feet per second
44 rem mag 300gr@1200fps KE=960 foot pounds Momentum= 51.428 pounds feet per second
30-06 180gr@2700 fps KE=2913 foot pounds Momentum= 69.428 pounds feet per second
243 100gr @2850 fps KE=1803 foot pounds Momentum= 40.71 pounds feet per second
An oldie but a goodie
45/70 500gr@1200 fps KE=1598 foot pounds Momentum=85.714 pounds feet per second.
12-10-2004, 03:09 PM
#74
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ORIGINAL: johnch
You left out the third side of the debate , bore diamiter or bullet frontal area.
IMO a fast small cal will not kill any better than my slow large cal.
I hunt with a 45/70 rifle and a 44 mag revolver and both kill better than the velocity or energy says they should.
You left out the third side of the debate , bore diamiter or bullet frontal area.
IMO a fast small cal will not kill any better than my slow large cal.
I hunt with a 45/70 rifle and a 44 mag revolver and both kill better than the velocity or energy says they should.
thats what i say, - --- get hit in the head once with a small rock size and weight of a pea out of a wrist rocket slingshot then get hit with hit with a 54cal lead ball the same way you will agree---"knockdown power"---
goverenment issue 45-70 winchester john???? you must be a big fella ta carry that!!!! but o so sweet of a gun(heavy though) my uncle dutz(doots) has one-he said " i am 77 years old and i dont track em no more -knock em down where they stand"
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12-10-2004, 03:33 PM
#76
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ORIGINAL: castman
This debate could be solved just by using momentum instead of velocity or kinetic energy.
The 17 was compared to the 44 mag earlier. The 44 kills a hog quicker:
Mometum=mass*velocity
KE=mass*(velocity)^2
17 rem 25gr@4040fps KE=906foot pounds Momentum=14.428 pounds feet per second
44 rem mag 300gr@1200fps KE=960 foot pounds Momentum= 51.428 pounds feet per second
30-06 180gr@2700 fps KE=2913 foot pounds Momentum= 69.428 pounds feet per second
243 100gr @2850 fps KE=1803 foot pounds Momentum= 40.71 pounds feet per second
An oldie but a goodie
45/70 500gr@1200 fps KE=1598 foot pounds Momentum=85.714 pounds feet per second.
This debate could be solved just by using momentum instead of velocity or kinetic energy.
The 17 was compared to the 44 mag earlier. The 44 kills a hog quicker:
Mometum=mass*velocity
KE=mass*(velocity)^2
17 rem 25gr@4040fps KE=906foot pounds Momentum=14.428 pounds feet per second
44 rem mag 300gr@1200fps KE=960 foot pounds Momentum= 51.428 pounds feet per second
30-06 180gr@2700 fps KE=2913 foot pounds Momentum= 69.428 pounds feet per second
243 100gr @2850 fps KE=1803 foot pounds Momentum= 40.71 pounds feet per second
An oldie but a goodie
45/70 500gr@1200 fps KE=1598 foot pounds Momentum=85.714 pounds feet per second.
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to zrex- if you like your gun- shoot it- personal preference mean anything to you, stop trying to beat the other guns to death because you THINK YOUR RIGHT- keep an open mind, the 7mm wsm is not your grandfathers gun, new and improved ya cant dismiss it either as a deer gun
but its all about terrain,weight and preference, and shooting distance blah blah-- put simple KILL EM CLEAN AND FAST--onebullet
12-10-2004, 03:35 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
[quote]ORIGINAL: woody7
I agree. A single torso shot from a 9mm handgun is many times survivable unless the heart ,BOTH lungs or a major artery is hit. The same shot from a .45 will not be so kind, and will put an exit wound the size of a fist out the other side carrying with it all that was in its path.
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another intellegent life[8D][8D]--onebullet
I agree. A single torso shot from a 9mm handgun is many times survivable unless the heart ,BOTH lungs or a major artery is hit. The same shot from a .45 will not be so kind, and will put an exit wound the size of a fist out the other side carrying with it all that was in its path.
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another intellegent life
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12-10-2004, 03:44 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ORIGINAL: minnesotahunter
Wow, this is stupid. 3 different forums about the same thing, with the same people arguing the same argument. What a waste of hard-drive space!
Wow, this is stupid. 3 different forums about the same thing, with the same people arguing the same argument. What a waste of hard-drive space!
12-10-2004, 03:47 PM
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RE: Velocity verses Energy. (the debate)
ORIGINAL: zrexpilot
up untill the late 70's more elk had been killed with the .243 than any other caliber. But after that every one got magnumtitis.
up untill the late 70's more elk had been killed with the .243 than any other caliber. But after that every one got magnumtitis.
we had horse and buggys at one time too---i am glad people got smarter--------the times they are a changin