poaching
08-14-2004, 02:27 PM
#41
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Mormonville, Utah!
Posts: 2,753
RE: poaching
I would think that another option is definately open to your cousin to support his family, and poaching is not it. I don't know if I would turn him in or not, probably I would just try to direct him to another option to feed his family. I think some great advice has been given on this thread, such as depredation permits etc. Good luck with your upcoming issues.
09-27-2004, 06:46 PM
#43
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location:
Posts: 99
RE: poaching
i have 4 kids and a home and 2 trucks to pay for ok my friend,and he is a poacher yes what he needs to do is sell his guns or get another job come to massachusetts i can hook him up with a $55,000 dollar a year job or would that be to much work for him ? lol.if he couldnt afford all those children or did he have a good job and lost it? and whats wrong with his wife or girlfriend working? what i am getting at is there is no excuse in my book for it and thats my opnion.
09-27-2004, 08:19 PM
#45
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Posts: 82
RE: poaching
[8D]What a can of worms you opened up here!!! LOL!!! Don't turn the poor guy in but get him to go look into the other options open too him. And if hes too proud to do it, too bad!! And if its just because hes a bum tell him to set the beer or whiskey down and get a damn job. Use the government, they sure as hell enjoy using us.
09-28-2004, 04:12 AM
#46
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cottage Grove Oregon
Posts: 918
RE: poaching
I am always amazed at how self righteous many on this board are. Personally who cares if the guy wants to jack a few. I don’t. I do think there isn’t any excuse to be that poor now days, sounds like too much beer and not enough sweat. I am really sick of the 1984 attitudes of many, Didn’t look up ages but the newer generation seems to have a lot of turn in your neighbor attitudes. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
09-28-2004, 11:15 AM
#48
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Georgia
Posts: 159
RE: poaching
I have only read the origional few posts not the whole thing. So forgive me if I'm repeating what has already been said.
I saw once on t.v. (I think) where a game warden would take road kill deer to a needy family. The dad had left and mom had several kids. The oldest son @ 10 yrs. old maybe. Would shoot some small game or turkey during the off season on their own land. The game warden overlooked the fact that the boy was doing this as long as it was on their property.
I see no problem if you are on your own land and are killing for food (considering that it is the main staple) as long as you're not looking for a trophy also during the closed season. I, on the other hand, see no problem in asking for help. Heck, I've had to do it (ask for help, that is)when my wife and I first got married. She was still in school and I was paying for school.
Besides, back in the days of pioneers and such did they have open or closed seasons. It was all open as long as you were on your property. I know times have changed and we have grocery stores and what not. I know it's a touchy topic. But, some folks will do what it takes to survive. Some jerks will do what it takes to get a trophy. Not me.
I saw once on t.v. (I think) where a game warden would take road kill deer to a needy family. The dad had left and mom had several kids. The oldest son @ 10 yrs. old maybe. Would shoot some small game or turkey during the off season on their own land. The game warden overlooked the fact that the boy was doing this as long as it was on their property.
I see no problem if you are on your own land and are killing for food (considering that it is the main staple) as long as you're not looking for a trophy also during the closed season. I, on the other hand, see no problem in asking for help. Heck, I've had to do it (ask for help, that is)when my wife and I first got married. She was still in school and I was paying for school.
Besides, back in the days of pioneers and such did they have open or closed seasons. It was all open as long as you were on your property. I know times have changed and we have grocery stores and what not. I know it's a touchy topic. But, some folks will do what it takes to survive. Some jerks will do what it takes to get a trophy. Not me.
09-28-2004, 12:09 PM
#50
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Texas
Posts: 2,695
RE: poaching
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{Perhaps one of the eldest activities on the face of the planet is hunting. The history of hunting, as a result, is also one of the most diverse. Hunting for food has always been something that human kind has had to do, dating back to the beginning of any civilizations known to man.
As a result of this, there have been thousands of weapons and devices used to hunt. The history of hunting is far more complicated than any other history in the world, as it stretches so far into the past. In order to understand this history, you need to break down and study each era where hunting has been a major part of life. While there are exact time lines of when certain guns or weapons were produced, understanding the importance of hunting should be done on a far broader scale. There is much more to the history of hunting than when the gun was created.
The First Era, Pre-Civilization
In this time frame, from before great cities to the first starts of basic civilization, the human race survived on their skills of scavenging and hunting. In cultures similar to those of the first era and pre-civilization, women had the roll of caring for the home and preparing the food brought in by the men. Some portions of modern day Africa have conditions similar to this, where they do not have a great deal of money, and a similar style of hierarchy. The men all learned how to hunt, and they held these hunts daily to feed themselves. Unlike today, all hunting was for survival, and none of it for sport. All of the materials from the killed animals was used, from the bones to the pelt. Hunting was also a method of determining who was the bravest warrior. The bravest would hunt the ferocious creatures that lived nearby their homes. These kills were a vital part of the early hierarchies.
A wide variety of different weapons were used during this era, from slings to spears crafted of wood and stone. For large prey, the hunters would work together in packs, similar to how a wolf hunts to bring down their quarry. The only trophies kept were antlers and teeth. Occasionally the skulls would be kept as decoration or as symbols of the clan or family group. This oldest form of hunting was the basis in which the present was formed.
The Second Era, Growth of Civilization
As people gathered together and civilization really began, the role of men as hunters changed as well. Cities, by their very nature, require a variety of people with a lot of skills. There needed to be craftsmen and weavers, animal handlers and other trades so that everyone could have access to everything they needed. Instead of the split between men and women, hunting became the task of those most suited for hunting. These were usually always men, as it was looked down upon for women to participate in this line of work.
This was also the turning point where hunting becoming a sport. Civilizations, such as the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and the Romans all had their hunters and craftsmen. The Romans, took hunting as a sport to a whole new level, capturing prey alive for sale or gladiatorial competitions. Only certain individuals were hunters, allowing the select men to feed those in their community.
The Third Era, The Middle Ages
Perhaps one of the most interesting times in the history of hunting, is the middle ages. This is the period in time where hunting for food was a vital part of life for many, though restricted. Rules on hunting, such as no hunting in the King's Forest, was the first real restrictions on hunting present in the world. Only the rich prospered, and the surf classes hunted whatever they could, when they could for survival. Hunting, from boar to deer to fox hunting, became primary sports for the nobility of the time frame. This started the trend of organized hunts for sport.
Colonists to the New World required as much hunting skills as possible, during this period of time, although they progressed quickly from relying on scavenging and hunting to creating farms and plantations. Popular weapons for use in hunting during this time period was forms of archery, slings and throwing spears. The gun was also used, although it had not quite yet reached full levels of popularity.
The Forth Era, The Industrial Period
On the heels of the Middle Ages was the Industrial period. This era stretched from beyond the 1700s until just after the start of the 1900s. The evolution of machines brought about great changes in hunting. Large farms became very popular, where livestock was raised instead of the practice of hunting wild animals, downgrading hunting to only become a past time. Guns, ranging from muskets to rifles, were being to be used extensively. Archery was downgraded to sport use only, though it was very popular for tests of skill.
Present Day
Through these stages of the history of hunting, humans have perfected this activity, with a wide range of weapons. Archers, for example, have many types of bows to choose from. Arrows are just as plentiful as bows, from metal to wood, with many different types of tips. Guns have evolved the same way, with many types of bullets and guns for different types of hunting. Special guns and equipment designed for moose hunting, for example, wouldn't be the same as deer hunting supplies.
Competitive hunting, such as fox hunting, is still greatly enjoyed by many people who prefer a little more action to their hunting. In the modern world, safety and skill are the requirements for hunting, and it is open for anyone who is willing to learn proper weapon handling and obtain all of the documents necessary to hunt. Regulations on guns and hunting have been developed to prevent species from going extinct. While hunting is still very popular, the modern day has a lot more restrictions that in any other era in the history of hunting.
Each of these eras of the history of hunting have done a lot for the sport and trade, giving it a rich heritage that shouldn't be forgotten. }
Game laws were implimented when hunting became sport, so if a man wants or need to kill game for food you call it poaching because he's infringing on your past time or hobby, puhlease ! get a life folks ! Its my god given right as a creature of this world to hunt for food, so if the man needs to feed his family so be it, as long as he aint tresspaing on your land I see nothing wrong with it. Man has been hunting for food since the beginning of man, and you have no right to look down upon a man that is doing what is as natural as the day you were born.
If any on of you are ever down on your luck and find that you have no money or food be sure and tell your children to wait to get hungry untill the start of deer season.
{Perhaps one of the eldest activities on the face of the planet is hunting. The history of hunting, as a result, is also one of the most diverse. Hunting for food has always been something that human kind has had to do, dating back to the beginning of any civilizations known to man.
As a result of this, there have been thousands of weapons and devices used to hunt. The history of hunting is far more complicated than any other history in the world, as it stretches so far into the past. In order to understand this history, you need to break down and study each era where hunting has been a major part of life. While there are exact time lines of when certain guns or weapons were produced, understanding the importance of hunting should be done on a far broader scale. There is much more to the history of hunting than when the gun was created.
The First Era, Pre-Civilization
In this time frame, from before great cities to the first starts of basic civilization, the human race survived on their skills of scavenging and hunting. In cultures similar to those of the first era and pre-civilization, women had the roll of caring for the home and preparing the food brought in by the men. Some portions of modern day Africa have conditions similar to this, where they do not have a great deal of money, and a similar style of hierarchy. The men all learned how to hunt, and they held these hunts daily to feed themselves. Unlike today, all hunting was for survival, and none of it for sport. All of the materials from the killed animals was used, from the bones to the pelt. Hunting was also a method of determining who was the bravest warrior. The bravest would hunt the ferocious creatures that lived nearby their homes. These kills were a vital part of the early hierarchies.
A wide variety of different weapons were used during this era, from slings to spears crafted of wood and stone. For large prey, the hunters would work together in packs, similar to how a wolf hunts to bring down their quarry. The only trophies kept were antlers and teeth. Occasionally the skulls would be kept as decoration or as symbols of the clan or family group. This oldest form of hunting was the basis in which the present was formed.
The Second Era, Growth of Civilization
As people gathered together and civilization really began, the role of men as hunters changed as well. Cities, by their very nature, require a variety of people with a lot of skills. There needed to be craftsmen and weavers, animal handlers and other trades so that everyone could have access to everything they needed. Instead of the split between men and women, hunting became the task of those most suited for hunting. These were usually always men, as it was looked down upon for women to participate in this line of work.
This was also the turning point where hunting becoming a sport. Civilizations, such as the Babylonians, the Egyptians, and the Romans all had their hunters and craftsmen. The Romans, took hunting as a sport to a whole new level, capturing prey alive for sale or gladiatorial competitions. Only certain individuals were hunters, allowing the select men to feed those in their community.
The Third Era, The Middle Ages
Perhaps one of the most interesting times in the history of hunting, is the middle ages. This is the period in time where hunting for food was a vital part of life for many, though restricted. Rules on hunting, such as no hunting in the King's Forest, was the first real restrictions on hunting present in the world. Only the rich prospered, and the surf classes hunted whatever they could, when they could for survival. Hunting, from boar to deer to fox hunting, became primary sports for the nobility of the time frame. This started the trend of organized hunts for sport.
Colonists to the New World required as much hunting skills as possible, during this period of time, although they progressed quickly from relying on scavenging and hunting to creating farms and plantations. Popular weapons for use in hunting during this time period was forms of archery, slings and throwing spears. The gun was also used, although it had not quite yet reached full levels of popularity.
The Forth Era, The Industrial Period
On the heels of the Middle Ages was the Industrial period. This era stretched from beyond the 1700s until just after the start of the 1900s. The evolution of machines brought about great changes in hunting. Large farms became very popular, where livestock was raised instead of the practice of hunting wild animals, downgrading hunting to only become a past time. Guns, ranging from muskets to rifles, were being to be used extensively. Archery was downgraded to sport use only, though it was very popular for tests of skill.
Present Day
Through these stages of the history of hunting, humans have perfected this activity, with a wide range of weapons. Archers, for example, have many types of bows to choose from. Arrows are just as plentiful as bows, from metal to wood, with many different types of tips. Guns have evolved the same way, with many types of bullets and guns for different types of hunting. Special guns and equipment designed for moose hunting, for example, wouldn't be the same as deer hunting supplies.
Competitive hunting, such as fox hunting, is still greatly enjoyed by many people who prefer a little more action to their hunting. In the modern world, safety and skill are the requirements for hunting, and it is open for anyone who is willing to learn proper weapon handling and obtain all of the documents necessary to hunt. Regulations on guns and hunting have been developed to prevent species from going extinct. While hunting is still very popular, the modern day has a lot more restrictions that in any other era in the history of hunting.
Each of these eras of the history of hunting have done a lot for the sport and trade, giving it a rich heritage that shouldn't be forgotten. }
Game laws were implimented when hunting became sport, so if a man wants or need to kill game for food you call it poaching because he's infringing on your past time or hobby, puhlease ! get a life folks ! Its my god given right as a creature of this world to hunt for food, so if the man needs to feed his family so be it, as long as he aint tresspaing on your land I see nothing wrong with it. Man has been hunting for food since the beginning of man, and you have no right to look down upon a man that is doing what is as natural as the day you were born.
If any on of you are ever down on your luck and find that you have no money or food be sure and tell your children to wait to get hungry untill the start of deer season.