Big Discussion at hunting camp..whats your best guess?
11-25-2009, 05:40 AM
#13
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Southeast Alabama
Posts: 1,625
isnipe would kill the deer. The rest of you would have gut shot it.
If you squeeze off a shot right behind the shoulder while a deer is running 15mph then you are going to hit that deer right through the intestines or the hind legs.
Aim about a foot in front of the deer and you will hit it square through both lungs.
A 30 caliber bullet leaving the muzzle at 2900 fps is in flight for approximately .108 seconds when it reaches 100 yards.
In .108 seconds a deer running at 15 miles per hour will cover 2.376 feet.
If you squeeze off a shot right behind the shoulder while a deer is running 15mph then you are going to hit that deer right through the intestines or the hind legs.
Aim about a foot in front of the deer and you will hit it square through both lungs.
A 30 caliber bullet leaving the muzzle at 2900 fps is in flight for approximately .108 seconds when it reaches 100 yards.
In .108 seconds a deer running at 15 miles per hour will cover 2.376 feet.
Last edited by RugerM77.270; 11-25-2009 at 06:08 AM.
11-25-2009, 08:19 AM
#15
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: East Stroudsburg, PA
Posts: 149
How can you identify a running dear if you have AR, practice QDM, or just plain love brown it's down?
How many more headlines do we need of hunters, sons, or fathers killed during deer drives or shots on running deer? I have never once taken a shot at a running deer, and have dove for cover a few times when some idiot shot directly at us. Rifle season is just upon us in PA WMU3D. Our unit borders NJ, with NY 78 miles to the east. Dangerous to be a hunter, dog walker, aborist, horse, or you name it on public lands 11/30/09!
How many more headlines do we need of hunters, sons, or fathers killed during deer drives or shots on running deer? I have never once taken a shot at a running deer, and have dove for cover a few times when some idiot shot directly at us. Rifle season is just upon us in PA WMU3D. Our unit borders NJ, with NY 78 miles to the east. Dangerous to be a hunter, dog walker, aborist, horse, or you name it on public lands 11/30/09!
11-25-2009, 08:40 AM
#16
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 564
Ixnay on the long running shotsay. I have taken running shots at deer but they have all been within 40 yards or so. That was also a time when I shot at every buck I saw. Now I am more choosy and a running shot at a deer 100 yards away doesn't give me the time to judge like I would like.
11-25-2009, 08:52 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Titusville Florida
Posts: 1,727
How can you identify a running dear if you have AR, practice QDM, or just plain love brown it's down?
How many more headlines do we need of hunters, sons, or fathers killed during deer drives or shots on running deer? I have never once taken a shot at a running deer, and have dove for cover a few times when some idiot shot directly at us. Rifle season is just upon us in PA WMU3D. Our unit borders NJ, with NY 78 miles to the east. Dangerous to be a hunter, dog walker, aborist, horse, or you name it on public lands 11/30/09!
How many more headlines do we need of hunters, sons, or fathers killed during deer drives or shots on running deer? I have never once taken a shot at a running deer, and have dove for cover a few times when some idiot shot directly at us. Rifle season is just upon us in PA WMU3D. Our unit borders NJ, with NY 78 miles to the east. Dangerous to be a hunter, dog walker, aborist, horse, or you name it on public lands 11/30/09!
And just another thing to think about; when a deer is running he's constantly moving up and down. You have to think about where his chest is at when he's at the top of his leap, and where his chest is at when it's closest to the ground at the instant before he leaps. This makes your vertical target area about 3" high. Also, if he's not exactly perpendicular to you the angle of his run has to be taken into account. You would have to swing your rifle at the exact angle, and the steeper that the angle is also diminishes your vertical target area.
In my opinion; we're out in the woods trying to outsmart a wild animal who lives there. If he's running from you it's because you failed at outsmarting him this time. Your chance of harvesting him are much slimmer than the chance of missing or worse yet mortally wounding him. Just let him run away, there's always tomorrow.
11-25-2009, 08:53 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 2,445
If you swing with the deer and keep swinging through the shot (very hard to do unless it is practiced) no lead is required. Pull the trigger as the crosshairs get to the front of the deer.
The good thing about this method is it compensates automatically for whatever angle the deer is moving. They are not always exactly broadside.
I don't take running shots at this range. I just don't shoot enough, and at 100 yds, there is usually lots or stuff in the way. For me it's better to try to stop the deer with a loud noise, shout, whistle, whatever. Sometimes they'll stop, sometimes they won't.
The good thing about this method is it compensates automatically for whatever angle the deer is moving. They are not always exactly broadside.
I don't take running shots at this range. I just don't shoot enough, and at 100 yds, there is usually lots or stuff in the way. For me it's better to try to stop the deer with a loud noise, shout, whistle, whatever. Sometimes they'll stop, sometimes they won't.
11-25-2009, 10:28 AM
#19
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Grand Forks BC Canada
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Funny how threads like this get derailed. The question pertained to leading the deer, not whether anyone's personal ethics preclude the shot. OK, so let's pretend it's a target on a moving trolley system going 15 mph at 100 yards and in a perfectly safe situation. How much do you lead it?
In case anyone wonders, I've taken 70+ deer but never a shot at one moving at more than a slow walk. So I simply took the question at its face value - an interesting analysis of the parameters given.
In case anyone wonders, I've taken 70+ deer but never a shot at one moving at more than a slow walk. So I simply took the question at its face value - an interesting analysis of the parameters given.
