223
#2
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rifle, Colorado
Posts: 2,012
RE: 223
of course it will, but I would never use it for that purpose. People have killed moose with a .22 but that doesn' t make it right in my book. I would guess that most states would say in there reg' s that a .22 bullet is too small for big game, but some do allow it.
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Gypsum KS USA
Posts: 1,289
RE: 223
I was just thinking this morning that it was about time someone asked this question again...oh well, at least it keeps the boards lively.
Yes, a .223 will handle deer just fine, out to about 75yrds would be all the farther I would use it though. The only thing it really has going for it is that hitting a deer in the heart with anything bigger than a rimfire is going to kill it, and .223' s lend themselves to be shot a lot, usually making people fully aware of their POI. I' d never use one, but as long as it is legal in your state, I' d say go for it if that' s what turns your crank.
Just use a soft point bullet with good retention, you should test them out ahead of time to make sure that you' re not going to be shooting water balloons at them. You' re going to need every grain you can to stay intact with the bullet, fragmenting on the surface is what makes the .223 a poor deer cartridge, however, there are heavily/well constructed bullets available to reload (don' t know for sure on factory ammo, but doubt it) that lend themselves to deer hunting. Remember, a standard .223 soft point is designed for coyotes/varminting in mind, so you' ll need something a little better than standard to get proper retention, a partition might be a better option, or an A-frame, just to be sure the thing stays together. I' ve seen a lot of .223/.22-250 " soft point" rounds that lose nearly half of their mass in a coyote, that' d simply blow the hide off a deer and kill it due to infection or slow blood loss a day-month later.
(can do a couple things to test retention: a) build a box out of wood that will hold milk jugs about 4-5deep, leave one end open except for a 2" lip all the way around that will stop the flow of water along the sides of the box--which might wash parts of your bullet back out of the box, losing it. Fill the jugs with water, get about 50yrds off, and shoot them, recover your bullets, and weigh. B) buy one of those smaller 100-200gallon stock tanks--the little oval ones, cut a square in it about 1/3-2/5 the way down about 5" x5" , cover this with duct tape on the inside and out 2-4 layers thick--packing tape works too, then sit 50yrds away, slightly elevated above your hole, then shoot through the tape where your square is, and recover your bullets and weigh. C) buy a tank and fill it full of ballistic jelly, and fire down into it, recover and weigh D) figure something out on your own, your a bright fellow right?)
Yes, a .223 will handle deer just fine, out to about 75yrds would be all the farther I would use it though. The only thing it really has going for it is that hitting a deer in the heart with anything bigger than a rimfire is going to kill it, and .223' s lend themselves to be shot a lot, usually making people fully aware of their POI. I' d never use one, but as long as it is legal in your state, I' d say go for it if that' s what turns your crank.
Just use a soft point bullet with good retention, you should test them out ahead of time to make sure that you' re not going to be shooting water balloons at them. You' re going to need every grain you can to stay intact with the bullet, fragmenting on the surface is what makes the .223 a poor deer cartridge, however, there are heavily/well constructed bullets available to reload (don' t know for sure on factory ammo, but doubt it) that lend themselves to deer hunting. Remember, a standard .223 soft point is designed for coyotes/varminting in mind, so you' ll need something a little better than standard to get proper retention, a partition might be a better option, or an A-frame, just to be sure the thing stays together. I' ve seen a lot of .223/.22-250 " soft point" rounds that lose nearly half of their mass in a coyote, that' d simply blow the hide off a deer and kill it due to infection or slow blood loss a day-month later.
(can do a couple things to test retention: a) build a box out of wood that will hold milk jugs about 4-5deep, leave one end open except for a 2" lip all the way around that will stop the flow of water along the sides of the box--which might wash parts of your bullet back out of the box, losing it. Fill the jugs with water, get about 50yrds off, and shoot them, recover your bullets, and weigh. B) buy one of those smaller 100-200gallon stock tanks--the little oval ones, cut a square in it about 1/3-2/5 the way down about 5" x5" , cover this with duct tape on the inside and out 2-4 layers thick--packing tape works too, then sit 50yrds away, slightly elevated above your hole, then shoot through the tape where your square is, and recover your bullets and weigh. C) buy a tank and fill it full of ballistic jelly, and fire down into it, recover and weigh D) figure something out on your own, your a bright fellow right?)
#6
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Go DAWGS! Georgia...
Posts: 583
RE: 223
And David Killed Golieth with a sling.
I have to agree with the others on this topic. Yes, it can kill deer but the complete performace of that round as far a game of that size is questionalble.
The smallest I would hunt with is a 243. And still some dont think this is big enough. But, it will in deed take deer down, fast.
Good luck.
#7
RE: 223
Federal loads a 55 grain TBBC and Winchester loads a 64 grain power point. For reloading there is Nosler with a 60 grain partition, Barnes with a 50 & 53 grain X bullet, and Lost River Ballistics http://www.lostriverballistic.com/LRB_Start.htm with their 69 & 78 grain J36 hunting bullets.
If you used these bullets the 22 centerfires will be a capable deer rifle. Not the best but capable.
If you used these bullets the 22 centerfires will be a capable deer rifle. Not the best but capable.
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pine Hill Alabama USA
Posts: 1,280
RE: 223
Ditto what most of the others said. Yes it will kill a deer with good shot placement but I would go with a larger caliber. Those little .22 caliber bullets out of a .223 are super fast but very light weight. Most factory loaded shells will come loaded with about a 55 grain bullet. Hit a little far foward and catch shoulder blade or heavy bone with a bullet that small and you are looking at a lost deer. I personally would not hunt deer with any bullet less than 100 grains in weight and that means using at least a .243.
#10
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 360
RE: 223
thanks--- I was just curious in my search for a rifle that is not too expensive to shoot and is fairly all-purpose with lower recoil ( I' m only 13) so now for fun I may buy a .22 or cheap .223 then get a .270 later on for deer
THANKS ALOT![8D]
P.S. Timbercruiser, my grandma killed the first deer of the season with a old Buick on opening day!
THANKS ALOT![8D]
P.S. Timbercruiser, my grandma killed the first deer of the season with a old Buick on opening day!