So. Ohio Outfitters

exactly!!.......

DoctorDeath

Im not sure Dirtz really thinks that vision is a deers #1 sense ..he said he just felt like arguing a little ...which makes for a healthy debate .... even a deer cant see through heavy foliage or through trees ...but they can smell most everything ... yep I would have to agree his sense of smell is his number 1 defense because they could smell out a fart in a world wind...then his hearing ..then his vision ...but thats just from my experience ..

dd

Dirt2

Thanks for the nod, DD.(Did I ever mention what a great buckyou've got there?)I would like to repeat that IF you have the wind in your favor, with or without any gadgets, there is a 0% chance thata deer is going to smell. However, you must move to shoot, so the chance you get spotted is greater than 0%.

DoctorDeath

DIRTZ IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT A DEER WILL ALWAYS USE HIS NOSE AS HIS FIRST DEFENSE ...WHEN IT IS WINDY AND HE CANT SMELL OR HEAR HE WILL GENERALLY WALK BIG OPEN WOODS OR THE EDGE OF A FIELD SO HE CAN AT LEAST SEE ...HOWEVER WHEN ITS CALM OR A LIGHT WIND WHERE HE CAN HEAR AND SMELL HE TENDS TO WALK THE MORE DENSE AREA'SAND TRUST HIS NOSE.... JMHO

dd

StrutNtom

A MATURE deer, couldn't live to be a MATURE deer w/o sight or smell.....so, why does one have to be more important than the other?

So. Ohio Outfitters

While that is true, a big buck does certainly use all his senses...and in order to take one, you need to over come all....out of all his senses, his since of smell is the greatest...just like a turkey's sight is a much greater advantage to itself than its Ol sensory factor...a big buck uses it sense of smell more than any...Like I've brought out...Chuck use to wear check-ed shirts, and deer are color blind...now, I'm not saying they don't use their sight, what I am saying is that they rely on smelling things at a much greater rate....if this wasn't the case, we wouldn't have to store our clothes in air tight containers, watch what we eat before we go out, make sure nothingsmelly is on our hands when we go into the field, wear rubber boots, possibly scent-lok clothes, make sure our clothes is sprayed down, and/or washed in scent reducing agents, watch the wind, use scents as cover, and not to mention, theirs a muti-billion dollar industry involving the reduction of scent, etc..then and maybe then, if your scent program is flawless, they won't smell you. Bucks also use their sense of smell to communticate through licking branches, rubs and scrapes, all involving their sense of smell, as far as their eyes go, all you have to do is get 16 ft. or above, and don't move...which is harder to do? It is much much much easier to overcome their sight than their sense of smell...So you asked, Why does one have to be more important than the other? Once you can get your scent program that's flawless, you'll be sure to start seeing many more mature bucks....

StrutNtom

I do not agree with, "all you have to get is 16ft or higher". Hunting in an area that there aren't many trees, such as certain parts of the MidWest is ALOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT different than hunting places that have actual forrests. The deer out there rarely look up. The guy that killed that huge buck on the Lone Wolf tv show....u seen it? that deer walked right under him and never looked up.....if i am not mistaken, they even comment on it during the episode.

Its b/c they aren't used to looking up. Here in SC, our deer will spot you if you are 30+ feet in a tree.

One perfect example is last year I was hunting 20+ feet in my climber. I had a flock of about 10 turkeys walk under me and feed. None of them every spotted me. A little while later, three does come down the same trail....All three of them look RIGHT at me....like i was sticking out on a limb.

Everything depends the situation.

If the deer is used to danger being above him,he is going to look up.

So. Ohio Outfitters

Your definitely right there...Every state is different, and even areas with in a state that gets more pressure will be different as well...it all depends on how educated the deer are in your area....Although, you can take deer from lower than 16 ft, I've done it, the general rule of thumb is 16ft above...I've been up above 20ft. and had a buck spot me when he was right under me....I wasn't moving at all what-so-ever...If deer are educated to hunters in stands, and they havebusted hunters before, they are much harder to hunt...but I definitely agree with your statement..I've had my best luck and started seeing more bucks when I was in the 30ft. range..it'sa little hard to get use to at first, but it definitely pays off...

Gunner4USA

DD, I have to agree as well. I have been spotted countless times no matter how high I was, how still I was or how much scent control I practiced. This has led me to test the concept of a ladder stand this year though I almost always use a climber.As one of the others on here said, we are in their world. So I am beginning to think that their memory of their surroundings is much better than we give credit for. Think about it, they walk these trails evryday. Now there is something hanging out above them that wasn't there this morning!?!?!? So I'm going to try putting a stand out early in the fall and "slip" in during the season. I am buying one that has a lower skirt. (if that means anything) And I hope that they'll get used to its presence long before I get back into the woods.

Wv buckhunter

I don't getwhat your saying[&:]If you truely get high, adeer isn't going to see you unless you are hunting that area way to much, or have left your scent on your boots going directly to the tree. Maybe you accidently touched the tree when putting your climber up. However, I can tell you right now, putting up a ladderstand isn't going to help you. Especially if the deer "Have to get used to it". A big mature buck won't get use to it, he'll just move out of the area where he's more comfortable. If your up high, and you have cover, a deer isn't going to see you. Maybe if your out in a lone tree with nothing around you, then yes, your going to look like a lolly pop. However, I have to agree with the majority. My experience has showed me that it is way easier to stay hidden than to cover up all thescent. On top of that, DD, didn't say that sight was more important, he said the opposite of that.