Deer hunting dog killers
12-03-2002, 08:59 PM
#81
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: East Texas
Posts: 1,382
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
It's odd everyone hates tresspassers and poachers. No one wants to give them a second chance. However, I'm expected to never shoot a dog, no matter how many times it tresspasses and no matter how many deer it kills or attempts to kill? Sure I know a dog doesn't know where "his" property starts and ends, but his owner does. Folks we aren't talking about shooting a dog that one time goes beyond his owners fence and enters my woods. We are talking about a dog that does it over and over. His owner is letting him do it!
I'll say it again, I can not believe that any of you who would "never" shoot a dog, have had dogs chasing deer time and again on your property. If you have had this problem and just let it go on because "dogs will be dogs" then you don't care much about your deer herd.
Again, the owners are the problems but the owners aren't around when the dogs are 1/2 mile from home chasing deer. A dog chasing a deer for hunting purposes is wrong by almost everyone of ya'll's standards. But as long as the dog is just chasing the deer to maul it or kill it, I guess it's ok?
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I'll say it again, I can not believe that any of you who would "never" shoot a dog, have had dogs chasing deer time and again on your property. If you have had this problem and just let it go on because "dogs will be dogs" then you don't care much about your deer herd.
Again, the owners are the problems but the owners aren't around when the dogs are 1/2 mile from home chasing deer. A dog chasing a deer for hunting purposes is wrong by almost everyone of ya'll's standards. But as long as the dog is just chasing the deer to maul it or kill it, I guess it's ok?
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12-03-2002, 09:07 PM
#82
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Danville Virginia USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
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D) I have not seen ONE....NOT ONE (please point out if I missed it) decent alternative or creative suggestion other then killing the pet. Maybe one doesn't exist. I suggested a few early in the thread. I would think with all the hunters we have viewing / participaiting in this thread we could help each other out instead on focusing on to kill or not to kill. That question simply will not result in mass agreement.
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I can't speak for everyone but I can myself, I have tried other alternatives like going to the owner and being nice with either being cursed out or told that if I didn't like it to hunt somewhere else. I have called the humane society and had the dog picked up only to see the dang thing a week later after the owner has gotten it out and let loose again. The problem is that owners who let their dogs roam free really DO NOT CARE what you and I as hunters think. The majority of them could care less if it ruins our hunt, heck some of them are glad cause they don't want to see us hunting anyways. I have been told that by an owner, not just making guesses here. There are two simple solutions, either shoot them or keep letting them ruin your hunt! If you like sitting on stand and watching deer start to come into your stand only to have dogs run them off, well, thats your waste of time, I'll not be so kind. Dogs are hunters and know when deer start to move, they don't happen by your stand at prime time just by chance!
D) I have not seen ONE....NOT ONE (please point out if I missed it) decent alternative or creative suggestion other then killing the pet. Maybe one doesn't exist. I suggested a few early in the thread. I would think with all the hunters we have viewing / participaiting in this thread we could help each other out instead on focusing on to kill or not to kill. That question simply will not result in mass agreement.
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I can't speak for everyone but I can myself, I have tried other alternatives like going to the owner and being nice with either being cursed out or told that if I didn't like it to hunt somewhere else. I have called the humane society and had the dog picked up only to see the dang thing a week later after the owner has gotten it out and let loose again. The problem is that owners who let their dogs roam free really DO NOT CARE what you and I as hunters think. The majority of them could care less if it ruins our hunt, heck some of them are glad cause they don't want to see us hunting anyways. I have been told that by an owner, not just making guesses here. There are two simple solutions, either shoot them or keep letting them ruin your hunt! If you like sitting on stand and watching deer start to come into your stand only to have dogs run them off, well, thats your waste of time, I'll not be so kind. Dogs are hunters and know when deer start to move, they don't happen by your stand at prime time just by chance!
12-03-2002, 09:15 PM
#83
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 3,903
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
I still think it's unethical! So the dog has to die because of it's owners lack of responsibility? As for the dogs chasing deer. Is it o.k.? NO! But , there are other options available other than killing it. Death is'nt much of a lesson! JMO
12-03-2002, 09:43 PM
#84
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: downingtown pa USA
Posts: 171
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Dogs are hunters and know when deer start to move, they don't happen by your stand at prime time just by chance!
Scrub - C'mon man, really. Dogs dont need to sit and wait for deer to move, they can smell them. They will know where the deer are at without having to see them.
I'm getting the picture that we are talking different scenerios here
#1- Hunter is sittng in stand, sees dog trot by sniffing and peeing ears a floppin' as one usually does, two minutes later the owner walks by on the same trail. an hour goes by and hunter sees the same dog trot by going the opposite way sniffing and peeing and turns up another trail. 5 minutes later owner walks by and heads up the same trail following dog. another hour passes, dog trots by sniffing and peeing and right behind it is the owner and they disappear down the original trial they came up. Now its obvious the owner has his dog out for a walk. is the hunter going to blast the dog in the chest? probably not. now i know someone is going to say, well the idiot shouldnt be walking his dog in the woods during hunting season. this is true, but some people, god forbid, dont hunt, therefore having no idea the season has arrived. i dont follow tennis, so i would have no idea when wembolton is, or even how to spell it. I know thats a bad analogy, but it works.
#2- a pack of howling crazed starving dogs crashing through the bushes all morning and afternoon long trying to find food, the owner probably has no idea wher the dog, no does he care if the dog ever returns.
12-03-2002, 09:45 PM
#85
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Stanton PA USA
Posts: 2,213
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Oh boy! Another hot one!<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> Do I think shooting a dog for running deer in a state where dog hunting for deer is illegal is the right thing to do? ALMOST always..NO! Would I ever do it? ....probably, given the right circumstamces.
Here is my take on this. Allowing your dogs to run free is a complete a total lack of respect to others. Forget hunting scenarios. How about maybe...the dogs chased my kids and scared the heck out of them! Or worse, bit one of them! That is different, they bite one, they die, I don`t care if the dog is found on the front porch with little Jenny watching!
Might be a little personality quirk, but I have serious issues with people who display a lack of respect for others, not just me but anyone. Your dogs running wild on anothers land falls squarely in that category. At least by my definition. If I can find the owners, and I have done this on more than a few occasions, I am polite but firm. Usually this is all it takes. Unfortunately that does not always work. Some people must learn to respect thy neighbor the hard way, and they will learn. Even if it means a trip to see the judge after all is said and done!
Funny this thread came up so soon after the season. This problem reared its ugly head this year for me. It was easy to find the owner of the pack of 4 dogs. After denying that the dogs ever got out, we watched a little video clip of their pets chasing deer past my stand two days in a row. I even offered to buy them chain and collars. Next day, the dogs are right back. Second visit was all it took. Dogs are still alive, and will spend the rest of their natural life on a chain.
Now, what if the dogs have no collars, and you cannot find the owner? I have yet to encounter this one, and hope I never do. If I do, there will be an abbreviated version of baseball.....two strikes, your out!
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New Stanton,PA
Here is my take on this. Allowing your dogs to run free is a complete a total lack of respect to others. Forget hunting scenarios. How about maybe...the dogs chased my kids and scared the heck out of them! Or worse, bit one of them! That is different, they bite one, they die, I don`t care if the dog is found on the front porch with little Jenny watching!
Might be a little personality quirk, but I have serious issues with people who display a lack of respect for others, not just me but anyone. Your dogs running wild on anothers land falls squarely in that category. At least by my definition. If I can find the owners, and I have done this on more than a few occasions, I am polite but firm. Usually this is all it takes. Unfortunately that does not always work. Some people must learn to respect thy neighbor the hard way, and they will learn. Even if it means a trip to see the judge after all is said and done!
Funny this thread came up so soon after the season. This problem reared its ugly head this year for me. It was easy to find the owner of the pack of 4 dogs. After denying that the dogs ever got out, we watched a little video clip of their pets chasing deer past my stand two days in a row. I even offered to buy them chain and collars. Next day, the dogs are right back. Second visit was all it took. Dogs are still alive, and will spend the rest of their natural life on a chain.
Now, what if the dogs have no collars, and you cannot find the owner? I have yet to encounter this one, and hope I never do. If I do, there will be an abbreviated version of baseball.....two strikes, your out!
NRA,UBP,BASS Member
New Stanton,PA
12-03-2002, 10:39 PM
#86
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
Posts: 71
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Scrub Hunter > I think you misunderstood what I was saying. It is obvious that if a dog repeatedly is running free the owner is not being responsible. I indicated that many are trying to talk to the owners, but as we are hearing many just don't give a **** about us hunters or don't have enough brains to figure out that they are cursing, messing with, or otherwise pravoking people with guns at their disposal. Not to brite to say the least. What I am after is alternatives to just killing the dog.
I.E. taking a paintball gun with you and painting that pup. It will leave a hell of a welt on them and of course the owners are going to "get the mesg". Or reporting owners for crualty, Or using a blow gun with blunts on the dog, Or a BB gun, Or any other non leathal solution as an attempt to solve the problem for our fellow hunters here that are having their hunts spoiled.   Anyone???
I.E. taking a paintball gun with you and painting that pup. It will leave a hell of a welt on them and of course the owners are going to "get the mesg". Or reporting owners for crualty, Or using a blow gun with blunts on the dog, Or a BB gun, Or any other non leathal solution as an attempt to solve the problem for our fellow hunters here that are having their hunts spoiled.   Anyone???
12-03-2002, 10:51 PM
#87
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: downingtown pa USA
Posts: 171
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
I have an idea that is sure to work, non leathal suggestion of course. bring along a radio and play some country music. thats sure to clear the area for a good 100 square acres. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
12-03-2002, 11:29 PM
#90
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Vermilion Ohio
Posts: 183
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
i think we should be able to blast a big hole in the irresponsible dog owners.....LOL <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>
of course we should try to reason w/them when the problem first arises....but let me have to visit their house a 2nd time and they're toast. <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - nodose on 12/04/2002 00:31:29
of course we should try to reason w/them when the problem first arises....but let me have to visit their house a 2nd time and they're toast. <img src=icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle>
Edited by - nodose on 12/04/2002 00:31:29