Deer hunting dog killers
12-02-2002, 12:02 AM
#31
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Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Hold up here nodose, I never said anything about blame and I have also tried to explain my position but it does not seemed to be reaching people or is not the popular opinion. I can take that if that is the case but let me re-emphazise.
: IMO, Leathal force should not be needed, seek other alternatives first
: Shoot happy folks who are willing to take a dog on first sighting without seeking other alternatives
: I understand the difficulty in solutions for REPEAT occurances after doing the right thing in seeking alternatives
I am sorry if you mistook the human analagy as me placing eqaul importance on both, that was not my intention. I was making the analagy that despite how much people claim to be responsible and / or how much you try to protect things sometimes crap happens.
Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 01:04:57
: IMO, Leathal force should not be needed, seek other alternatives first
: Shoot happy folks who are willing to take a dog on first sighting without seeking other alternatives
: I understand the difficulty in solutions for REPEAT occurances after doing the right thing in seeking alternatives
I am sorry if you mistook the human analagy as me placing eqaul importance on both, that was not my intention. I was making the analagy that despite how much people claim to be responsible and / or how much you try to protect things sometimes crap happens.
Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 01:04:57
12-02-2002, 12:20 AM
#32
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Location: Vermilion Ohio
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Hold up here nodose, I never said anything about blame <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
hunt3r's dog w/a collar on repeatedly chases deer on my property. i shoot hunt3r's dog w/a collar on. which i wouldn't do but for the purposes of this thread lets say i did.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> You kill my dog with a coller on it and you will be lucky if all that happens is you go to jail.
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LOL sorry dude but i just had to get the last dig in <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
and i didn't mistake your analogy i just thought it was a very poor one.
Edited by - nodose on 12/02/2002 01:27:54
hunt3r's dog w/a collar on repeatedly chases deer on my property. i shoot hunt3r's dog w/a collar on. which i wouldn't do but for the purposes of this thread lets say i did.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> You kill my dog with a coller on it and you will be lucky if all that happens is you go to jail.
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LOL sorry dude but i just had to get the last dig in <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
and i didn't mistake your analogy i just thought it was a very poor one.
Edited by - nodose on 12/02/2002 01:27:54
12-02-2002, 12:24 AM
#33
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Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Ahhh yes, my reply to the part about it being a felony / illegal to shoot a dog in Texas. Retaliation may not be the same as blame, but I will concied that you have got me on this one 
12-02-2002, 12:30 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
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Location: New Stanton PA USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
hunt3r, what in he!!s bells are you rambling about? Listen closely....AS A DOG OWNER, IT IS EASY FOR ME TO SAY MY DOGS NEVER GET LOOSE!!
Because they never do! They get out of their kennel when I let them out, and only then. As it should be with any responsible dog owner.
I have read all the responses on this thread, and have yet to read where anyone wanted to shoot dogs first, and ask questions later.
I don`t blame dogs for chasing deer, it comes natural to them.
I do blame the lazy, worthless owners for allowing it to happen in the first place. I have been down this road on more than a couple occasions. Against my better judgement, I approached the owners of the dogs in question(pretty hard for them to deny ownership when the dogs are in the yard, and I have them on videotape chasing deer)in a civil manner, and listened to the same old BS....first time they ever got out, it will not happen again. The second time visiting the owners is one they don`t soon forget!
There is NO EXCUSE for allowing your dog to run on anothers ground, or to chase wildlife on your own ground, unless it is legal to do so within your states game laws.
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Because they never do! They get out of their kennel when I let them out, and only then. As it should be with any responsible dog owner.
I have read all the responses on this thread, and have yet to read where anyone wanted to shoot dogs first, and ask questions later.
I don`t blame dogs for chasing deer, it comes natural to them.
I do blame the lazy, worthless owners for allowing it to happen in the first place. I have been down this road on more than a couple occasions. Against my better judgement, I approached the owners of the dogs in question(pretty hard for them to deny ownership when the dogs are in the yard, and I have them on videotape chasing deer)in a civil manner, and listened to the same old BS....first time they ever got out, it will not happen again. The second time visiting the owners is one they don`t soon forget!
There is NO EXCUSE for allowing your dog to run on anothers ground, or to chase wildlife on your own ground, unless it is legal to do so within your states game laws.
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12-02-2002, 01:00 AM
#36
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Well Big Country Kudos for claiming to being perfect. Good luck with that. How does it feel to be the only person in the world who has never made a mistake?
Unlike you, I have felt in several instances including the very first post where it has been done or suggested to just shoot a dog the very first time they spoil your hunt or see them. Some have tried to justify it by stating expenditures on this hobby / sport. One that apearently is SO FREAKING important that people are willing to take a domestic animals life for. Ok, your call, but my message has stayed consistant throughout.
Seek alternatives. If you have, then good for you, that is all I ask. What you do next is on your concience not mine.
For the record, I am neither lazy nor worthless. I am however human and honest enough to admit and accept that mistakes happen.
You obviously have had a bad experience and you seem to think that everyone automatically would try to BS you based on the experience you had with a few people. That goes back to that responsibilty thing. If my dog got loose once, I would tell you that. If he got loose 13 times I would tell you that.
I guess I really don't understand what is wrong with suggesting that people seek alternative methods past the obvious of contacting the "BS'ing" owners. Are we all not hunters here in search of quality time in the field and meat in our freezers?
Well it is 3am my time and I figure I have wasted way more time on this then I ever should have. Good night all, and safe hunting to you.
:: A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still ::
Unlike you, I have felt in several instances including the very first post where it has been done or suggested to just shoot a dog the very first time they spoil your hunt or see them. Some have tried to justify it by stating expenditures on this hobby / sport. One that apearently is SO FREAKING important that people are willing to take a domestic animals life for. Ok, your call, but my message has stayed consistant throughout.
Seek alternatives. If you have, then good for you, that is all I ask. What you do next is on your concience not mine.
For the record, I am neither lazy nor worthless. I am however human and honest enough to admit and accept that mistakes happen.
You obviously have had a bad experience and you seem to think that everyone automatically would try to BS you based on the experience you had with a few people. That goes back to that responsibilty thing. If my dog got loose once, I would tell you that. If he got loose 13 times I would tell you that.
I guess I really don't understand what is wrong with suggesting that people seek alternative methods past the obvious of contacting the "BS'ing" owners. Are we all not hunters here in search of quality time in the field and meat in our freezers?
Well it is 3am my time and I figure I have wasted way more time on this then I ever should have. Good night all, and safe hunting to you.
:: A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still ::
12-02-2002, 01:34 AM
#37
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Thank you for realizing I am perfect! Now, if it would not be too much of a bother, could you please call my wife and tell her that?<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
At the moment she seems less than thrilled about me leaving for another 10 days(8 days hunting)in Illinois. I can`t understand what the problem is, I only went for 16 days the first time!
All joking aside...if your dog gets loose once or even twice, OK just remedy the situation. If you let your dogs run because you don`t feel like being a good pet owner, thats a different story.
Now hunt3r, I can`t tell if you are saying your dogs get away on a regular basis or not, but it is nothing that a good collar and a stout piece of chain can`t fix.
If you got the impression from my last post that I am even close to perfect, I can assure you I am not!
I am a responsible pet owner, who respects the rights of others to the best of my ability, regardless of how much work or imposition it may cause me.
NRA,UBP,BASS Member
New Stanton,PA
At the moment she seems less than thrilled about me leaving for another 10 days(8 days hunting)in Illinois. I can`t understand what the problem is, I only went for 16 days the first time!
All joking aside...if your dog gets loose once or even twice, OK just remedy the situation. If you let your dogs run because you don`t feel like being a good pet owner, thats a different story.
Now hunt3r, I can`t tell if you are saying your dogs get away on a regular basis or not, but it is nothing that a good collar and a stout piece of chain can`t fix.
If you got the impression from my last post that I am even close to perfect, I can assure you I am not!
I am a responsible pet owner, who respects the rights of others to the best of my ability, regardless of how much work or imposition it may cause me.
NRA,UBP,BASS Member
New Stanton,PA
12-02-2002, 01:42 AM
#38
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Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
For the record. My dog bolted after a bunny one time and was out of my sight for all of 2 min. This does not alter my ability to have empathy for someone who may have their dog run away nor does it change my LACK of willingness to shoot a domestic animal or seek creative ways of fixing a problem.
Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 02:43:33
Edited by - hunt3r on 12/02/2002 02:43:33
12-02-2002, 01:46 AM
#39
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
hey wait a minute hunt3r.....big country isn't the only one that hasn't made a mistake.....i haven't either <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
you're in good company big country
you're in good company big country