Deer hunting dog killers
12-01-2002, 08:29 PM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Rural Valley PA USA
Posts: 444
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
This is a touchy subject! I don't think that I could shoot a dog unless I felt there was danger for me, my family or friends, or my pets. You must control your animals even when you own a lot of property. There's no excuse to let them run free because you don't know what will happen if they stray too far.
Near where I work there was an incident recently where two large dogs were splitting a doe apart in the yard of a very populated residential area. This was discovered by an old woman who screamed and attracted the attention of her family, including a small child. If these dogs could do this to a deer just think what could happen to a child if these dogs were somehow provoked.
My neighbors have a Doberman and a Pit Bull that they only let out to do their business. When I am walking in the field below their property I am always afraid that they are going to spot me and attack. If you would drive up to their house there is no way that you could get out of your car without these dogs attacking you. If the dogs would come onto my property I would scare the dogs away with a pellet gun and then approach the owner. If it happened again then I would choose a larger weapon.
If these dogs are pets then they shouldn't be running wild.
I'm an animal lover (one dog & 3 cats) and a hunter.
Near where I work there was an incident recently where two large dogs were splitting a doe apart in the yard of a very populated residential area. This was discovered by an old woman who screamed and attracted the attention of her family, including a small child. If these dogs could do this to a deer just think what could happen to a child if these dogs were somehow provoked.
My neighbors have a Doberman and a Pit Bull that they only let out to do their business. When I am walking in the field below their property I am always afraid that they are going to spot me and attack. If you would drive up to their house there is no way that you could get out of your car without these dogs attacking you. If the dogs would come onto my property I would scare the dogs away with a pellet gun and then approach the owner. If it happened again then I would choose a larger weapon.
If these dogs are pets then they shouldn't be running wild.
I'm an animal lover (one dog & 3 cats) and a hunter.
12-01-2002, 09:00 PM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: arlington texas USA
Posts: 810
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
it is not a felony to kill a dog. if a dog is on the land you are hunting and does not belong to the owners, they can be shot. i have had many dogs ruin hunting days and it has happened this year. the dogs even came and tried to get in my stand with me. they finally ran off but their smell remained in the woods thus no deer.you are correct that it is a touchy subject. i have shot in the area of the dog but never shot one. they should be contained if hunters are in the area.
12-01-2002, 09:20 PM
#13
Nontypical Buck
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Location: Wisconsin
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
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it is not a felony to kill a dog. if a dog is on the land you are hunting and does not belong to the owners, they can be shot. i have had many dogs ruin hunting days and it has happened this year. the dogs even came and tried to get in my stand with me. they finally ran off but their smell remained in the woods thus no deer.you are correct that it is a touchy subject. i have shot in the area of the dog but never shot one. they should be contained if hunters are in the area.
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Not around here! You'll be fined (felony) and you'll lose your hunting priveleges , along with your right to own firearms.
I dont care how much money you've spent , it's UNETHICAL! A dog runs by and ruins your hunt? OH WELL! Call it a day! Come back tomorrow!
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it is not a felony to kill a dog. if a dog is on the land you are hunting and does not belong to the owners, they can be shot. i have had many dogs ruin hunting days and it has happened this year. the dogs even came and tried to get in my stand with me. they finally ran off but their smell remained in the woods thus no deer.you are correct that it is a touchy subject. i have shot in the area of the dog but never shot one. they should be contained if hunters are in the area.
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Not around here! You'll be fined (felony) and you'll lose your hunting priveleges , along with your right to own firearms.
I dont care how much money you've spent , it's UNETHICAL! A dog runs by and ruins your hunt? OH WELL! Call it a day! Come back tomorrow!
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12-01-2002, 09:36 PM
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: arlington texas USA
Posts: 810
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
it is not a felony in texas. it is not a crime of any type if the dog is on property not owned by its owner. i never said to shoot the dog. you should have spent the time reading the post clearly rather than highlighting a quote
12-01-2002, 10:00 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Stanton PA USA
Posts: 2,213
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Guess it is very different in various regions. Where I grew up, it was required that a licensed hunter shoot a dog found running deer.
Talk about unethical? Here is unethical....a dog owner who would allow his dog to run free on anothers ground, whether it screwed up anyones hunt or not!
Personally, I like dogs, own dogs myself. I would be hard pressed to shoot one other than self defense.(it would have to be one heck of a big dog) I would have zero problem finding the owner of a dog running deer and rectify the situation in a jiffy!
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Talk about unethical? Here is unethical....a dog owner who would allow his dog to run free on anothers ground, whether it screwed up anyones hunt or not!
Personally, I like dogs, own dogs myself. I would be hard pressed to shoot one other than self defense.(it would have to be one heck of a big dog) I would have zero problem finding the owner of a dog running deer and rectify the situation in a jiffy!
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New Stanton,PA
12-01-2002, 10:04 PM
#16
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
Posts: 71
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Cry me a freaking river. Your hunt got spoiled and you think that justifies taking the life of someones pet. Laughable. I had a cat spoil my hunt last weekend. I didn't shoot it and I HATE cats.
I can't believe what I am reading. Adults with such disregard for pets lives, which may or may not affect you, and the total lack of thought to the grief that it will cause its owner(s). Because your hunt was spoiled??? Because of money?? Would you have someone put a price on something that was important to you?
Is it irresponsible of the owner? Of course, but a dialog with that owner FIRST is the ethical way to go. Dog's do get loose from time to time. Is that the day you will be selfish and kill one?
And to all you who are touting the money issue. What about the money the owner has spent on thier dog, cat, whatever? My dog cost $500 to start, just spent $600 on surgery, I won't even get into annual costs CAUSE IT MATTERS NOT. Two wrongs still do not make a right in case you have forgotten.
Pathetic : ( Put some perspective back in your life.
I can't believe what I am reading. Adults with such disregard for pets lives, which may or may not affect you, and the total lack of thought to the grief that it will cause its owner(s). Because your hunt was spoiled??? Because of money?? Would you have someone put a price on something that was important to you?
Is it irresponsible of the owner? Of course, but a dialog with that owner FIRST is the ethical way to go. Dog's do get loose from time to time. Is that the day you will be selfish and kill one?
And to all you who are touting the money issue. What about the money the owner has spent on thier dog, cat, whatever? My dog cost $500 to start, just spent $600 on surgery, I won't even get into annual costs CAUSE IT MATTERS NOT. Two wrongs still do not make a right in case you have forgotten.
Pathetic : ( Put some perspective back in your life.
12-01-2002, 10:14 PM
#17
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: arlington texas USA
Posts: 810
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
what happens when knowone knows who the dog belongs to. should that hunter continue to sacrifice his hunting?it is more unresponsible for a owner to allow the dog to roam in hunting areas and be put in danger. i love dogs and have one that sleeps with me and mrs every nite. caring about the dogs is not some owners thing. they just want the dogs for whatever reasons.i have never shot a dog and hope to never have to do so.on one of my leases the dogs were chasing the deer out of the woods . fawns were found to have been injured. the dogs belonged to the land owner next to us.he did not care and said his dogs were not prisoners and could go any where they liked.
having said that what is the hunter to do now.\?there is a difference in dogs just passing thru and dogs chasing deer.
having said that what is the hunter to do now.\?there is a difference in dogs just passing thru and dogs chasing deer.
12-01-2002, 10:28 PM
#18
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Pilot Point TX USA
Posts: 13
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
I agree with neches because the dogs helped the hunters. They shouldn't have killed the dogs. But, what is the difference between the dog pound picking up loose dogs and putting them to sleep and the hunters killing them. They are all pets. Sometimes people think there dog(s) just ran away when in fact they are on death row at the local dog pound. They shouldn't have been loose in the first place. What about wild dogs. How do you make the distinction between wild dogs and pets if the pets aren't wearing collars? My dogs don't wear collars because they always figure out a way to get them off. Wild dogs are just as bad as coyotes in killing deer. Do you kill coyotes? Wild dogs are also more dangerous to humans. They aren't as scared of us. Again, I don't believe in killing a dog just because he is on your land, but some dogs need to be killed.
12-01-2002, 10:34 PM
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fort Wayne Indiana USA
Posts: 71
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
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heh, my dog sleeps with me and the mrs every night too. All I am asking for is some perspective here. I mean I am sitting here thinking, if a dog interupted a criticle moment in (insert any other sport that costs money here) would I be equally justified in shooting it?
I agree not all owners are responsible and repeated interuptions certainly call for different measures. It sounded to me though that these clowns were saying, that shooting was their first option. First infraction consequences. No thought to other alternatives.
What to do? Jeez be creative. Just sitting here I thought of a couple of things. Take a paintball gun out and mark that sum bitch up if the owner won't do anything. The dog will feel it but not be perminatly hurt. Get a cheap blowgun and load up some blunts (depends on how close).
As to not knowing where it came from, I find it hard to beleive that you would have a dog/cat repeatedly ruin your hunting without being able to associate it with someone by simply stopping by the nearest houses, although I must concied it is possible. Do you know who owns a ....... ???
Lets turn this into a positive. What are some NON Leathal ways to handle this? Experience anyone?
heh, my dog sleeps with me and the mrs every night too. All I am asking for is some perspective here. I mean I am sitting here thinking, if a dog interupted a criticle moment in (insert any other sport that costs money here) would I be equally justified in shooting it?
I agree not all owners are responsible and repeated interuptions certainly call for different measures. It sounded to me though that these clowns were saying, that shooting was their first option. First infraction consequences. No thought to other alternatives.
What to do? Jeez be creative. Just sitting here I thought of a couple of things. Take a paintball gun out and mark that sum bitch up if the owner won't do anything. The dog will feel it but not be perminatly hurt. Get a cheap blowgun and load up some blunts (depends on how close).
As to not knowing where it came from, I find it hard to beleive that you would have a dog/cat repeatedly ruin your hunting without being able to associate it with someone by simply stopping by the nearest houses, although I must concied it is possible. Do you know who owns a ....... ???
Lets turn this into a positive. What are some NON Leathal ways to handle this? Experience anyone?
12-01-2002, 10:40 PM
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Duluth Minnesota USA
Posts: 285
RE: Deer hunting dog killers
I don't know the law where you live but where I'm from their is a leash law in the state,and from what I was told is that a dog can be shot if seen chasing down a deer in the woods.Because a dog will run down a deer and leave it to die.Unlike a wolf or a coyote will kill to survive.I'm sorry but when you have a leash law in a state and people are aware of it,and let their dog run free in the woods,specially during hunting season,they shouldn't be surprised when fido doesn't come back but only his collar.The law is the law and people need to be aware of it.I own a dog and I will not let him run the woods without a leash.