Deer hunting dog killers
12-04-2002, 03:36 PM
#111
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Awesome post Turkey Hunter and I couldn't agree more. No one here wants to kill a dog. Heck, I've let dogs run by me chasing a deer while I had the dog in my scope. You know why? Because I really hated to shoot someone's pet. However, every time I didn't shoot, I've regretted it later.....because the dog was seen again chasing deer. Just because you let a dog run by your stand 3 times, doesn't mean he is getting a warning that he understands. Heck even shooting over, under, or around one isn't neccessarily a warning that a dog can understand.
If you love your dog keep him at home. I don't know why people think they can let their dog roam free on my land. (much less chasing deer) Not only do they think it is fine for their dog to roam on my land and chase deer; over half of you agree with them and support them rather than my legal rights! But let a person tresspass on my land one time and you'll all be hopping mad telling me to call the game warden.
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If you love your dog keep him at home. I don't know why people think they can let their dog roam free on my land. (much less chasing deer) Not only do they think it is fine for their dog to roam on my land and chase deer; over half of you agree with them and support them rather than my legal rights! But let a person tresspass on my land one time and you'll all be hopping mad telling me to call the game warden.
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12-04-2002, 06:23 PM
#113
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Where me and my friends hunt the dogs have about RUINED the deer hunting for the most part. They shoot every dog they see on the property. they get about 3 a week on that 50 acres. People just drive their unwanted pets out there and leave them. No houses, no pets, just dogs no one wanted and they put out. The dogs mate, and we have a growing population of wild dogs. A mutt came within 15 yards of me one time and I wasn't going to shoot it, there wern't any deer in the area at the time and he would be gone in just a minute, if I shot I would scare the deer. Well this dog notices me sitting by a tree, in a flash he was on me ripping at my legs. BOOM!! no more dog. Crazy thing had rabies. I hate getting shots too that sucked. If you hunt here you will see many deer, many paranoid scrached up , running deer. The dogs just keep running them to death. The place is a loss, the dogs are winning, deer are getting rarer and fewer every season. No turkeys anymore, no squirrels. A once great farmland to hunt is now a rabies infested crap hole. This is the only place I shoot dogs. No where else I've seen is this bad. Sometimes there will be weeks you don't see dogs at all, and the deer are booming! it's a great spot except for those dang dogs! Cats are bad there too.
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12-04-2002, 06:29 PM
#114
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
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After reading all the posts on this thread I've come to a very sad conclusion which I already knew: the demise of hunting will come with the help of hunters. This thread is a perfect example. Over half the people on this thread say they will "never" shoot a dog unless in self defense. A dog is just an animal, no different than a domestic cow or chicken. However, they have moved dogs up to a level above animals. The dogs place, in their mind is closer to that of a human. I'd never shoot a human, expcept in self defense, I'll shoot an animal (including a dog) for alot of other reasons. However, this is not true with this sect of hunters, they will only shoot a dog for self defense, therefore moving it up to a level near that of human life. This wouldn't even have been a debate 50 yrs ago but now those of us who still see a dog as just an animal are the minority.
I've already seen debates among us where many people say the same thing about coyotes. They will "never" shoot them unless it is for self defense. Next it will be cute little squirrels, then rabbits, then one day deer. It is a slow process and it won't happen with this generation but it WILL happen. All this is just music to the anti's ears. They don't have to run ads to gain support, they have hunters slowly and methodically moving in their direction. Laugh if you will but mark my words on this my friends.
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C'mon Tex! Because there are folks who think different than you when it comes to shooting dogs , we're gonna be the "demise of hunting"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Why do hunters resort to that old cliche whenever we have a debatable subject?
I have given my opinion based on something I encountered in my youth. A neighbor of mine would repeatedly brag about shooting dogs from his treestand regardless if they were chasing deer or not. It finally caught up with him when he shot three expensive coon hounds one day and one of them happened to make it back to it's owner with an arrow buried in his hind quarter. He used to complain about dogs chasing deer also. But at least twice he told us of situations where he shot dogs as they were just walking by his stand<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> I guess thats where I get my distaste for shooting dogs. I will admit however , there is a big difference in family pets and wild dogs. Alot of states have problems with wild dogs and I can see the need to rectify the situation. For alot of the scenarios given here , I can see where you would get frustrated enough to shoot the dog. I dont condemn those that at least make an attemt to contact the owners first and resort to killing last. I do condemn those who fit the description of my neighbor. Right now , I can honestly say it would be very diffecult for me to shoot a dog. But I cant say that I would NEVER shoot one either. Deerhunting is my passion and I've never been faced with the problem of dogs running deer and I hope I dont have to make that decision.
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After reading all the posts on this thread I've come to a very sad conclusion which I already knew: the demise of hunting will come with the help of hunters. This thread is a perfect example. Over half the people on this thread say they will "never" shoot a dog unless in self defense. A dog is just an animal, no different than a domestic cow or chicken. However, they have moved dogs up to a level above animals. The dogs place, in their mind is closer to that of a human. I'd never shoot a human, expcept in self defense, I'll shoot an animal (including a dog) for alot of other reasons. However, this is not true with this sect of hunters, they will only shoot a dog for self defense, therefore moving it up to a level near that of human life. This wouldn't even have been a debate 50 yrs ago but now those of us who still see a dog as just an animal are the minority.
I've already seen debates among us where many people say the same thing about coyotes. They will "never" shoot them unless it is for self defense. Next it will be cute little squirrels, then rabbits, then one day deer. It is a slow process and it won't happen with this generation but it WILL happen. All this is just music to the anti's ears. They don't have to run ads to gain support, they have hunters slowly and methodically moving in their direction. Laugh if you will but mark my words on this my friends.
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C'mon Tex! Because there are folks who think different than you when it comes to shooting dogs , we're gonna be the "demise of hunting"<img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>
Why do hunters resort to that old cliche whenever we have a debatable subject?
I have given my opinion based on something I encountered in my youth. A neighbor of mine would repeatedly brag about shooting dogs from his treestand regardless if they were chasing deer or not. It finally caught up with him when he shot three expensive coon hounds one day and one of them happened to make it back to it's owner with an arrow buried in his hind quarter. He used to complain about dogs chasing deer also. But at least twice he told us of situations where he shot dogs as they were just walking by his stand<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle> I guess thats where I get my distaste for shooting dogs. I will admit however , there is a big difference in family pets and wild dogs. Alot of states have problems with wild dogs and I can see the need to rectify the situation. For alot of the scenarios given here , I can see where you would get frustrated enough to shoot the dog. I dont condemn those that at least make an attemt to contact the owners first and resort to killing last. I do condemn those who fit the description of my neighbor. Right now , I can honestly say it would be very diffecult for me to shoot a dog. But I cant say that I would NEVER shoot one either. Deerhunting is my passion and I've never been faced with the problem of dogs running deer and I hope I dont have to make that decision.
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12-04-2002, 06:58 PM
#115
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Here's the one quote on this pathetic thread that says it all:
"All I can say is if you love your pooch then tie him or fence him up during deer season cause if he comes by my stand he's dead. I don't care what you think of that, if the people love their so called pets so much then it would seem like common sense to me to protect it. If you don't have enough respect for me as a hunter to keep your animal tied, oh well, can you say "Live Target Down Range"! I will however let a collared deer dog or rabbit dog pass but no sooners! I like the others spend entirely too much money to watch some mutt run bullwinkle off down the holler!"
What a slob attitude. Such comments shame us all.
This is a problem with no good answers. But killing someone's pet is an EXTREME response.
I cannot help but wonder if the author of the post shown in bold above would be so cock-sure of himself as to drop the hammer on someone's pet if all the neighbors were watching him at the time...never mind that the entire world can read such blatant lunacy on a HUNTING website.
This thread should be locked and buried before anyone else has a chance to read more of such stupidity and knuckle-dragging arrogance.
"All I can say is if you love your pooch then tie him or fence him up during deer season cause if he comes by my stand he's dead. I don't care what you think of that, if the people love their so called pets so much then it would seem like common sense to me to protect it. If you don't have enough respect for me as a hunter to keep your animal tied, oh well, can you say "Live Target Down Range"! I will however let a collared deer dog or rabbit dog pass but no sooners! I like the others spend entirely too much money to watch some mutt run bullwinkle off down the holler!"
What a slob attitude. Such comments shame us all.
This is a problem with no good answers. But killing someone's pet is an EXTREME response.
I cannot help but wonder if the author of the post shown in bold above would be so cock-sure of himself as to drop the hammer on someone's pet if all the neighbors were watching him at the time...never mind that the entire world can read such blatant lunacy on a HUNTING website.
This thread should be locked and buried before anyone else has a chance to read more of such stupidity and knuckle-dragging arrogance.
12-04-2002, 07:01 PM
#116
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Bow, good post and I understand where you are coming from to a degree. Admitting that you might shoot a dog is enough for me. I keep saying this but I don't think it is sinking thru to most on this thread. We do NOT want to shoot dogs. None of us are talking about shooting every dog that comes by our stand. I have already admitted it and I'll admit it again; it troubles me to think of shooting someone's family pet and I don't want to do it. But I'm willing to do it if I have to. Same thing with shooting someone breaking in my house. I don't want to but I will.
As for my post about the demise of hunting, I stand by that. This probably won't make sense to alot of folks and you'll think I'm crazy but I honestly believe this: we are slowly and methodically easing towards the anti's. I think alot of this has to do with the feminisation and "sensitivity" of today's man.(that will stir some feathers.lol) Seriously, I'm not saying we are all alot of fairies running around but think about it for a minute. The hardened man of long ago thought nothing of killing an animal. Do you think the pioneers of this land would think twice about shooting a dog that ruined a day of hunting? Heck no! Many hunters are against shooting coyotes because they aren't eaten, many are against trapping because it is "cruel" and on and on. This is how it happens. Look at the next few generations of hunters coming up. They have been taught lies by the liberal schools, tv, peta, etc, that guns are bad, hunting is wrong, anmimals have feelings, fishing is cruel, Jesus was a vegetarian. What else? Now dodge ball is banned in many schools, boys can't chase girls on the play ground, some gay purple dinosour is teaching them right from wrong, it is politically incorrect to say a cross word about someone if they are a female, gay, black, hispanic, Muslim etc. Drawing a gun or a knife on a piece of paper can get you expelled from school, so will playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians. Do I need to go on?
I know that these things aren't 100% true for every kid out there but they are the general rule now. More and more boys are being raised by their moms due to divorce, they have no male role model. How can alot of these boys help but become more "sensitive"?
Look this is waaay off the subject but you asked.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I know most of you will think I'm crazy after reading this but I believe it to be true! If you don't believe me, just look at the hunting/gun freedoms we loose every year. I'm by no means a doom and gloom person, I'm just telling you what I honestly believe is happening. Mark my words, in 10 yrs the debate won't be over shooting dogs, coyotes, or trapping it will be over bird hunting, rabbit hunting and maybe even deer hunting? Again, I'm not talking about every person becoming this way, but alot will. It will slowly happen. Watch and see.
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As for my post about the demise of hunting, I stand by that. This probably won't make sense to alot of folks and you'll think I'm crazy but I honestly believe this: we are slowly and methodically easing towards the anti's. I think alot of this has to do with the feminisation and "sensitivity" of today's man.(that will stir some feathers.lol) Seriously, I'm not saying we are all alot of fairies running around but think about it for a minute. The hardened man of long ago thought nothing of killing an animal. Do you think the pioneers of this land would think twice about shooting a dog that ruined a day of hunting? Heck no! Many hunters are against shooting coyotes because they aren't eaten, many are against trapping because it is "cruel" and on and on. This is how it happens. Look at the next few generations of hunters coming up. They have been taught lies by the liberal schools, tv, peta, etc, that guns are bad, hunting is wrong, anmimals have feelings, fishing is cruel, Jesus was a vegetarian. What else? Now dodge ball is banned in many schools, boys can't chase girls on the play ground, some gay purple dinosour is teaching them right from wrong, it is politically incorrect to say a cross word about someone if they are a female, gay, black, hispanic, Muslim etc. Drawing a gun or a knife on a piece of paper can get you expelled from school, so will playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians. Do I need to go on?
I know that these things aren't 100% true for every kid out there but they are the general rule now. More and more boys are being raised by their moms due to divorce, they have no male role model. How can alot of these boys help but become more "sensitive"?
Look this is waaay off the subject but you asked.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I know most of you will think I'm crazy after reading this but I believe it to be true! If you don't believe me, just look at the hunting/gun freedoms we loose every year. I'm by no means a doom and gloom person, I'm just telling you what I honestly believe is happening. Mark my words, in 10 yrs the debate won't be over shooting dogs, coyotes, or trapping it will be over bird hunting, rabbit hunting and maybe even deer hunting? Again, I'm not talking about every person becoming this way, but alot will. It will slowly happen. Watch and see.
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12-04-2002, 07:41 PM
#117
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
VC, ignore my above ramblings, I was waay off topic replying to Bowfanatic.
VC, let me say that I do agree with you that the comment you quoted was in poor taste and I disagree with the authors outlook on the subject. However, I have nicely defined my opinion over and over in this thread. I would like to hear your reply to my many previous posts and real life examples and tell me what my options are. I disagree that this thread should be locked and hidden. I would like your outlook on the subject.
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VC, let me say that I do agree with you that the comment you quoted was in poor taste and I disagree with the authors outlook on the subject. However, I have nicely defined my opinion over and over in this thread. I would like to hear your reply to my many previous posts and real life examples and tell me what my options are. I disagree that this thread should be locked and hidden. I would like your outlook on the subject.
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12-04-2002, 08:04 PM
#118
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Last year for the first time we had to shoot five dogs that people had just dropped off and left.They where starving and getting mean.It didn't bother us a bit,but we never shoot hunting dogs or dogs with collars.They can't read so why kill them for just doing what comes natural.
Hunting is not a sport,it's a lifestyle.
Hunting is not a sport,it's a lifestyle.
12-04-2002, 08:21 PM
#119
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: arlington texas USA
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
i keep seeing where a few keep calling these animals someones pets. i have yet to see where they can tell these are someones pet.i love dogs and treat them like one of the family.a family member is cared about by loving them and keeping tabs on them.you take care of the dog and child by being responsible. texas laws make you crimanally responsible for you kids until a certain age. civil and criminal laws make you responsible for your animals. letting them run free thru the property of others is not being responsible.people have got to the point of ridiculousness with this topic.we agree to disagree.the owners of these running dogs would not care as much if they had to go to court over the damage or harm they caused.
12-04-2002, 08:41 PM
#120
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Deer hunting dog killers
Dep, wow wow wow, you are actually calling on these dog owners to show the responsibilty that the law requires of them? How dare you. Seriously, I agree with you 100%. By letting the dogs run free, chase deer, and/or damage property the owners are breaking the law. By shooting one of these deer chasing dogs, we are within our legal rights and help protect the deer herd, but WE are the ones who are being harrassed in this thread; while the unreponsible dog owners are getting a free ride.
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