Dead deer in public view???
#171
RE: Dead deer in public view???
boy.it is just not as easy to hide a deer as is is to "hide" a duck or goose or a fish. Not everyone has a pick up. I feel this may be a an exercise in futility. I feel Hunters should make an effort to clean up the kill not as to make it look like a murder scene but a dead deer is a dead deer. JMHO.[8D]
#172
Join Date: May 2005
Location: georgia
Posts: 3,297
RE: Dead deer in public view???
ORIGINAL: C. Davis
Manuman,
It sure isoddhow truth becomes intolerance when it interferes with feelings and is stood for.
C. Davis
Manuman,
It sure isoddhow truth becomes intolerance when it interferes with feelings and is stood for.
C. Davis
#173
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location:
Posts: 11,472
RE: Dead deer in public view???
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I just don't understand the purpose of driving around with an exposed carcass with the INTENT of showing it off to the general public. What's the point?[/blockquote]
So you don't understand it. Create a law to make it illegal? What about the peope who do not have a truck or cannot fit it into their SUV? Why not make a law then that requires you to own a truck if you want to
I just don't understand the purpose of driving around with an exposed carcass with the INTENT of showing it off to the general public. What's the point?[/blockquote]
So you don't understand it. Create a law to make it illegal? What about the peope who do not have a truck or cannot fit it into their SUV? Why not make a law then that requires you to own a truck if you want to
Never agreed to make it law. I do however agree that hunters should adopt the practice for the better of the sport JMO.
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The only possible thing that can happen is a NEGATIVE effect on the 75% general population that are on the fence and ultimately have the upperhand in the future of hunting. [/blockquote]
So our soultion is to "hide" or "cover up" the dead animal. Doesn't this act alone indicate that we also think it's wrong/disqusting?
The only possible thing that can happen is a NEGATIVE effect on the 75% general population that are on the fence and ultimately have the upperhand in the future of hunting. [/blockquote]
So our soultion is to "hide" or "cover up" the dead animal. Doesn't this act alone indicate that we also think it's wrong/disqusting?
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Why take the chance of doing anything to have a negative impact on the sport? [/blockquote]
Who deems it negative? It is what it is. Why not take the effort o educate/expalin it better to people who are on the fence
Why take the chance of doing anything to have a negative impact on the sport? [/blockquote]
Who deems it negative? It is what it is. Why not take the effort o educate/expalin it better to people who are on the fence
ok you explain the purpose of parading a dead deer around town to them. I for one don't have the answer to that.
No camo in public? Let's face it soccer mom and Johnny can put 2 and 2 toghether? Wouldn't want to plant the seed!
Hide your tree-stands! Everyone knows what they are used for!
No hunting sections in Wal-mart and Dicks! The thought of Hunting and a dead deer may make someone cry!
I have a soulution! Let's just go ahead and take hunting to the "underground" and hide all aspects of it from the general public so that we can "save" our sport! [:'(]
Hide your tree-stands! Everyone knows what they are used for!
No hunting sections in Wal-mart and Dicks! The thought of Hunting and a dead deer may make someone cry!
I have a soulution! Let's just go ahead and take hunting to the "underground" and hide all aspects of it from the general public so that we can "save" our sport! [:'(]
Where I get confused is the thought process. I can kind of understand somebody that has an SUV, small jeep, or a car and needing to transport the animal. I still think it should be covered up though. But, what I don't grasp is the person that is loading a deer on whatever they are driving and consciencely thinks to himself I'm going to leave it wide open for everyone to see. I'm sorry I just don't understand that thinking.
#174
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Georgia
Posts: 93
RE: Dead deer in public view???
Whew...it took along time to go thru all these responses...Well i'm lucky, i do have a truck. no tailgate just one of them catchall fence things. I know that over the years with the time in the woods, money for all the things I buy, and the hunting license that I have bought. Yup...fer me to drag my deer up in the truck and get a little blood on it is ok with me. Yes I will ride to my house about 30-45 mins from the hunting camp with the deer not covered up. I don't ride around town but if I wanted to I guess I could, butI go to my house to show my family. But along the way if someone wants me to stop n look. It fine with me. I work hard all year to get deermeat that my family enjoys.
We already have to many laws that aren't enforcedthat not only deal with hunting but alot of other issues. I believe that need the legislation body needs to worry about more important issues besides a dead deer. I understand everyone has there veiws andit would be a shame if a law like this is put before our powerful law givers and right removers.
To each his own I guess. o yeah good luck to everyone this yr....keep the argument going...I'll be hunting...
We already have to many laws that aren't enforcedthat not only deal with hunting but alot of other issues. I believe that need the legislation body needs to worry about more important issues besides a dead deer. I understand everyone has there veiws andit would be a shame if a law like this is put before our powerful law givers and right removers.
To each his own I guess. o yeah good luck to everyone this yr....keep the argument going...I'll be hunting...
#175
Join Date: May 2005
Location: georgia
Posts: 3,297
RE: Dead deer in public view???
I don't have 2 separate definitions Mustad--I made a further point of clarifying the same issue. If you think that the definition of tolerance is the same today as it was 15 years ago, then you aren't paying attention.The end result , or logical conclusion to the new tolerance is that there aren't any standards--everyones personal views are the standard--which is an oxymoron. A standard is a guage for ones personal opinion, to determine if it is true or false. If the standard becomes that all views are equal, you don't have any room left for right or wrong, true or false.
I understand the 'audience' very well, and have been addressing this issue for quite sometime.The concept of hunting WAS understood 25 years ago and has been lost with the shift in our value system. You or I didn't need to worry about what others thought about a displayed deer 23 years ago when I started hunting--and I lived in Atlanata at that time. It was common practice to see a buck draped over the hood ofa Jeep or the trunk of a car, and the only negative connotation it had was that it wasn't wise to allow the heat of the engine to 'cook' the deer enroute.THe publics views have and are still changing constantly. The advent of the extreme animal rights activists have been born out of a confused and displaced view about the comparison of the life of an animal in comparison to a human being. Most that are involved don't see any significant difference in the 2. That is why they are upset. They see little difference in taking the life of an animal and taking the life of a person. Some extermists see no difference. I had an emplyee like this once. He got infuriated when hunting was mentioned for this very reason. I find that very troubling--especially when the life of an unborn child is treated like they are no more than a lump of skin to be cut away.Poll the average person who is opposed to hunting, and ask them ,at the same time their views on abortion, and it all of a sudden becomes an issue of rights. The hunter has no right, but the woman has a right to end her pregnancy, if she so chooses. Just a little hypocritical and schizophrenic.
If you honestly believe this is a new issue that is just now in the process of becoming exposed, then you must be personally becoming aware now, because this is not something that has taken place in the last 2 years or less, but has been gradually changing for sometime now.The shifting was and is first in the value systems, trickling down and influencing people's behavior. You act a certain way because you first think or believe a certain way.People are becoming more upset as time goes by, due to the changing shift in values, and it is working its way out into the public arena each year. When did it become a crime to wear a certain religious symbol or to mention God's name in a public setting or to have the audacity to speak up concerning deviant behavior? Was that yesterday, or the day before, or before that? No, it has been a gradual eroding process--over the course of many years, and it is beginning to snowball. The answer is not in candy coating or compromise. It is in making a stand and being able to communicate this stand effectively, along with the allowance of those that don't agree.
FYI--my displaying my recent deer was, as I said, something I had not done in recent history, being sensitive to the fact that there are those that could be offended. I honestly expected a great deal more flack than just one 20 year old girl becoming upset, and was surprised at the positive reactions.I may or may not do it again, but I don't have any qualms with those that do, and have no reservations in doing it again.It needs to be presented for what it is--hunting is not something to be ashamed of or an issue that needs to be skirted around. When someone reacts, we should be able to graciously , yet with conviction communicate and defend our heritage--without going about it in a milk toast manner, apologizing for someone else's misperceptions.
I understand the 'audience' very well, and have been addressing this issue for quite sometime.The concept of hunting WAS understood 25 years ago and has been lost with the shift in our value system. You or I didn't need to worry about what others thought about a displayed deer 23 years ago when I started hunting--and I lived in Atlanata at that time. It was common practice to see a buck draped over the hood ofa Jeep or the trunk of a car, and the only negative connotation it had was that it wasn't wise to allow the heat of the engine to 'cook' the deer enroute.THe publics views have and are still changing constantly. The advent of the extreme animal rights activists have been born out of a confused and displaced view about the comparison of the life of an animal in comparison to a human being. Most that are involved don't see any significant difference in the 2. That is why they are upset. They see little difference in taking the life of an animal and taking the life of a person. Some extermists see no difference. I had an emplyee like this once. He got infuriated when hunting was mentioned for this very reason. I find that very troubling--especially when the life of an unborn child is treated like they are no more than a lump of skin to be cut away.Poll the average person who is opposed to hunting, and ask them ,at the same time their views on abortion, and it all of a sudden becomes an issue of rights. The hunter has no right, but the woman has a right to end her pregnancy, if she so chooses. Just a little hypocritical and schizophrenic.
If you honestly believe this is a new issue that is just now in the process of becoming exposed, then you must be personally becoming aware now, because this is not something that has taken place in the last 2 years or less, but has been gradually changing for sometime now.The shifting was and is first in the value systems, trickling down and influencing people's behavior. You act a certain way because you first think or believe a certain way.People are becoming more upset as time goes by, due to the changing shift in values, and it is working its way out into the public arena each year. When did it become a crime to wear a certain religious symbol or to mention God's name in a public setting or to have the audacity to speak up concerning deviant behavior? Was that yesterday, or the day before, or before that? No, it has been a gradual eroding process--over the course of many years, and it is beginning to snowball. The answer is not in candy coating or compromise. It is in making a stand and being able to communicate this stand effectively, along with the allowance of those that don't agree.
FYI--my displaying my recent deer was, as I said, something I had not done in recent history, being sensitive to the fact that there are those that could be offended. I honestly expected a great deal more flack than just one 20 year old girl becoming upset, and was surprised at the positive reactions.I may or may not do it again, but I don't have any qualms with those that do, and have no reservations in doing it again.It needs to be presented for what it is--hunting is not something to be ashamed of or an issue that needs to be skirted around. When someone reacts, we should be able to graciously , yet with conviction communicate and defend our heritage--without going about it in a milk toast manner, apologizing for someone else's misperceptions.
#176
Join Date: May 2005
Location: georgia
Posts: 3,297
RE: Dead deer in public view???
Unfortunately, that is just what the antis want. they aren't looking for us to just become more socially acceptible, they want us stopped completely.I know it sounds far fetched and 'out there', but, who would have thought that this topic would even become an issue 20-25 years ago?
#177
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Frederick MD
Posts: 4
RE: Dead deer in public view???
One of my standard replys to people who are somewhat against hunting is, "Do you eat meat". If they say yes then I ask how is it any different. Just because you won't do the killing yourself doesn't make your way any more right. Besides deer get to live a free life doing what deer do up until the time they are killed. Cows live in often times bad to terrible conditions having hormones, steroids, anti-biotics etc injected into them and then when it is time to kill them they are lead into a place to have their heads cut off.
With that said do you think it would last very long having one of these places right in the middle of downtown suburbia. Even more people would be out fighting for animal rights just because out of sight out of mind.
Mine is not one of right or wrong but one of "I want to stay out of sight and out of mind"
I don't want people having any excuse to stop me from hunting.
I don't like government, I don't want them involved in most of my affairs and this is one more thing that people who think they should be forcing their views on others needs to stay out of.
With that said do you think it would last very long having one of these places right in the middle of downtown suburbia. Even more people would be out fighting for animal rights just because out of sight out of mind.
Mine is not one of right or wrong but one of "I want to stay out of sight and out of mind"
I don't want people having any excuse to stop me from hunting.
I don't like government, I don't want them involved in most of my affairs and this is one more thing that people who think they should be forcing their views on others needs to stay out of.
#178
RE: Dead deer in public view???
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights affirms that Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion' (Article 18), 'of opinion and expression' (Article 19), and that education 'should promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups' (Article 26),
#179
RE: Dead deer in public view???
I do however agree that hunters should adopt the practice for the better of the sport JMO.
If we thought it was wrong and disgusting we wouldn't be out there harvesting deer, gutting them, and eating them.
ok you explain the purpose of parading a dead deer around town to them.
OH good lord give me break. I love when there is a hint of change presented and people go off the wall like it's going to lead to the end of hunting forever. Nobody is proposing shutting down the doors to Bass Pro and Dicks or having to sneak in and out of the woods only at dark as to not be seen by anyone. Let's not get carried away.
Point being..........where would it stop if non-hunters continue to get offended by other things? Where sir do you make a stand?
#180
RE: Dead deer in public view???
ORIGINAL: manuman
I don't have 2 separate definitions Mustad--I made a further point of clarifying the same issue. If you think that the definition of tolerance is the same today as it was 15 years ago, then you aren't paying attention.The end result , or logical conclusion to the new tolerance is that there aren't any standards--everyones personal views are the standard--which is an oxymoron. A standard is a guage for ones personal opinion, to determine if it is true or false. If the standard becomes that all views are equal, you don't have any room left for right or wrong, true or false.
I don't have 2 separate definitions Mustad--I made a further point of clarifying the same issue. If you think that the definition of tolerance is the same today as it was 15 years ago, then you aren't paying attention.The end result , or logical conclusion to the new tolerance is that there aren't any standards--everyones personal views are the standard--which is an oxymoron. A standard is a guage for ones personal opinion, to determine if it is true or false. If the standard becomes that all views are equal, you don't have any room left for right or wrong, true or false.
ORIGINAL: manuman
THe publics views have and are still changing constantly. The advent of the extreme animal rights activists have been born out of a confused and displaced view about the comparison of the life of an animal in comparison to a human being.
THe publics views have and are still changing constantly. The advent of the extreme animal rights activists have been born out of a confused and displaced view about the comparison of the life of an animal in comparison to a human being.
ORIGINAL: manuman
If you honestly believe this is a new issue that is just now in the process of becoming exposed, then you must be personally becoming aware now, because this is not something that has taken place in the last 2 years or less, but has been gradually changing for sometime now.The shifting was and is first in the value systems, trickling down and influencing people's behavior. You act a certain way because you first think or believe a certain way.People are becoming more upset as time goes by, due to the changing shift in values, and it is working its way out into the public arena each year.
If you honestly believe this is a new issue that is just now in the process of becoming exposed, then you must be personally becoming aware now, because this is not something that has taken place in the last 2 years or less, but has been gradually changing for sometime now.The shifting was and is first in the value systems, trickling down and influencing people's behavior. You act a certain way because you first think or believe a certain way.People are becoming more upset as time goes by, due to the changing shift in values, and it is working its way out into the public arena each year.
Your approach is very two dimensional (you show the deer, you get a reaction); similar to the approach you originally described about gays. I'm here, deal with it. This could be successful, but I don't think it will be. As you say, make a stand and see what happens. My experience is this more often results in failure unless you know exactly how people are going to react to your action. Are you that confident in your opinion of the majority?
My approach is not so direct. I would prefer approaching the values of hunting from another perspective. Explain to people that it was one of the founding principles upon which our country was founded. There is scientific evidence that supports hunting as a means of controlling and preserving the wildlife population. I won't go on as I'm sure you know more of these than I do. I favor this approach because it is based more on facts than on an emotional reaction of seeing a dead deer.
I'm not so sure the concept of a change in approach is such a bad thing. At the turn of the century when Roosevelt initially identified the fact that the wildlife resources were becoming depleted, he knew something had to be done.
"Above all else, we should realize that the effort toward this end is essentially a democratic movement. It is... in our power... to preserve large tracts of wilderness... and to preserve game... for ... all lovers of nature, and to give reasonable opportunities for the exercise of the skill of the hunter, whether he is or is not a man of means."
Look at Roosevelt, L.W. Wendt, Ray Lowe, B.L. Price, M.A. Malone, Emil Knoepke, Glen Smith, Kenneth McDonald. These are all men that identified that there was a need to change the current course of events to prevent the activity of hunting from becoming extinct. Why is it so difficult to believe that just about a century later, we find ourselves in a similar situation where change is needed to protect what we love.
Cheers,