NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
02-03-2002, 10:33 PM
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Fork Horn
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NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
A 206 Whitetail was shot near Stony Plain Alberta this year with a bow. This places the deer 2 in the World under the Hanson Buck for the B&C and displaces the Jordon buck shot out of Wisconson (I believe) for the P&Y. The full story will be in the Western Sportsmen mag next month and as I get more details I will pass them on. This deer was shot 2 hours from my place and the Hanson buck is 3 hours in the other direction- WOW - do I have big plans for next year. hehehehe
Eric
Eric
02-04-2002, 09:21 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
Eric,
There is an article on the buck in the latest issue of North American Whitetail. There is going to be some controversy on this buck.
The gent shot a buck, couldn't locate it, advertised in the loal area he had shot a "large buck" and asked anyone to contact him if they found a dead "large buck". A local farmer called him and told him he had found a large, dead buck. The gent went to the farm, tagged the buck and thanked the farmer.
The controversy is the buck had pretty much been eaten by scavengers. There will be a lenghty discussion over verification of this being the animal he shot. It net scored 208 and fraction points (measured green without 60 day drying period).
Whether he shot it or it is a "located" deer, it would displace the Jordan buck as No. 2 all-time for a typical rack. It is a very impressive animal!
Bill
There is an article on the buck in the latest issue of North American Whitetail. There is going to be some controversy on this buck.
The gent shot a buck, couldn't locate it, advertised in the loal area he had shot a "large buck" and asked anyone to contact him if they found a dead "large buck". A local farmer called him and told him he had found a large, dead buck. The gent went to the farm, tagged the buck and thanked the farmer.
The controversy is the buck had pretty much been eaten by scavengers. There will be a lenghty discussion over verification of this being the animal he shot. It net scored 208 and fraction points (measured green without 60 day drying period).
Whether he shot it or it is a "located" deer, it would displace the Jordan buck as No. 2 all-time for a typical rack. It is a very impressive animal!
Bill
02-04-2002, 09:41 AM
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Fork Horn
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
Still growin'em big on the canadian prairies- I imagine there will be photos circulating on the 'net before too long.
Contraversy? When isn't there a problem with new WR heads? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
RC
Contraversy? When isn't there a problem with new WR heads? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
RC
02-04-2002, 01:26 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
1) The animal has not been accepted as the P&Y typical WT deer record yet, and cannot be untill 2003.
2) The present P&Y WR typical was shot by Mel Johnson in Peoria County IL in 1965.
3) The "Jordan buck" was the previous B&C typical WT deer prior to Milo Hansen's buck.
4) It'll be interesting to see how the "Zaft Buck" plays out. Apparently there's some issue about a possible abandoned recovery and the right side G2 & G3 having a common base, thereby reducing it's score to the 180's.
One thing's for sure though, it's one hell of an impressive animal.
JRW
2) The present P&Y WR typical was shot by Mel Johnson in Peoria County IL in 1965.
3) The "Jordan buck" was the previous B&C typical WT deer prior to Milo Hansen's buck.
4) It'll be interesting to see how the "Zaft Buck" plays out. Apparently there's some issue about a possible abandoned recovery and the right side G2 & G3 having a common base, thereby reducing it's score to the 180's.
One thing's for sure though, it's one hell of an impressive animal.
JRW
02-04-2002, 01:32 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
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1) The animal has not been accepted as the P&Y typical WT deer record yet, and cannot be untill 2003.
2) The present P&Y WR typical was shot by Mel Johnson in Peoria County IL in 1965.
3) The "Jordan buck" was the previous B&C typical WT deer prior to Milo Hansen's buck.
4) It'll be interesting to see how the "Zaft Buck" plays out. Apparently there's some issue about a possible abandoned recovery and the right side G2 & G3 having a common base, thereby reducing it's score to the 180's.
One thing's for sure though, it's one hell of an impressive animal.
JRW
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JRW,
It's interesting that you note the G2/G3 base issue. In the pictures I saw of it, it did appear as those those two points had what I would call thick webbing between them. Although the pictures did not give a clear and distinct view of them, they did appear to have two different bases, they were just sorta adjoined at the hip as you will for maybe 3".
Bill
1) The animal has not been accepted as the P&Y typical WT deer record yet, and cannot be untill 2003.
2) The present P&Y WR typical was shot by Mel Johnson in Peoria County IL in 1965.
3) The "Jordan buck" was the previous B&C typical WT deer prior to Milo Hansen's buck.
4) It'll be interesting to see how the "Zaft Buck" plays out. Apparently there's some issue about a possible abandoned recovery and the right side G2 & G3 having a common base, thereby reducing it's score to the 180's.
One thing's for sure though, it's one hell of an impressive animal.
JRW
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JRW,
It's interesting that you note the G2/G3 base issue. In the pictures I saw of it, it did appear as those those two points had what I would call thick webbing between them. Although the pictures did not give a clear and distinct view of them, they did appear to have two different bases, they were just sorta adjoined at the hip as you will for maybe 3".
Bill
02-04-2002, 09:07 PM
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02-05-2002, 05:13 AM
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
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For pictures and the story go to:
www.zaftbuck.com
Jack
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Floxter,
Very impressive deer. Sadly, however, this website gives me the impression that it is more about selling Mr. Zaft, than it is telling about the Zaft buck. This is one slick marketing site.
Bill
For pictures and the story go to:
www.zaftbuck.com
Jack
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Floxter,
Very impressive deer. Sadly, however, this website gives me the impression that it is more about selling Mr. Zaft, than it is telling about the Zaft buck. This is one slick marketing site.
Bill
02-05-2002, 07:20 AM
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RE: NEW P&Y RECORD WHITETAIL
The deer is a pickup - I don't know how anyone can think any different.
Zaft took a very poor shot, even for a target pro. Unknown distance, unfamiliar stand at a fast walking deer with a small window for shot placement. Because of his " better shoot now or won't get a shot" mentality, he hit the deer high and too far back - the deer showed no sign of a fatal hit and there was only a couple of drops of blood.
Folks, thats high gut shot if you ask me, and the proof lies in that this animal, a HUGE buck, probably 4 1/2 years old and pretty dang smart, ran into a wide open field. Thats where the coyotes found him - and he was probably weak from the wound and that enabled the coyotes, normally not able to drag down a healthy buck with a rack this size, to kill him and eat a large portion of the carcass.
Zaft never found this deer, the landowner did, and that, plus the speculation of the hit/kill, proves to me that Mel Johnson's record is intact, or should be if the P&Y club has any decency left in them.
Zaft took a very poor shot, even for a target pro. Unknown distance, unfamiliar stand at a fast walking deer with a small window for shot placement. Because of his " better shoot now or won't get a shot" mentality, he hit the deer high and too far back - the deer showed no sign of a fatal hit and there was only a couple of drops of blood.
Folks, thats high gut shot if you ask me, and the proof lies in that this animal, a HUGE buck, probably 4 1/2 years old and pretty dang smart, ran into a wide open field. Thats where the coyotes found him - and he was probably weak from the wound and that enabled the coyotes, normally not able to drag down a healthy buck with a rack this size, to kill him and eat a large portion of the carcass.
Zaft never found this deer, the landowner did, and that, plus the speculation of the hit/kill, proves to me that Mel Johnson's record is intact, or should be if the P&Y club has any decency left in them.