Bowtechs new cam system
#31
RE: Bowtechs new cam system
I had looked at the new bowtechs and was also wondering about the new cam system, so I started reading the posts on this thread hoping to find out some valuable info on the system, but the only thing I have found out is alot of people get real defensive about this subject. I hope this cam system is as good as they say. I jsut do not understand why everyone gets so defensive. If alot of people on here are like me, they will never be able to shoot a bow to its full potential. I am afraid posts that turn out like this one may shy people away from these boards. I just wish this post would have given the readers some valuable info, instead it has turned out to be a battle of whos cam can do what and whos can't. I am relatively a new comer to the forum and try to offer up info when I can but someone always seems to get mad when somebody does something different from them. These bowtech shooters are starting to act like the mathews shooters........just kidding, I just had to stir the pot
#32
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
Anyhow[&:], I saw an Old Glory that has been shot by an employee of the bowtech dealer 2 hours from here. Cam lean is a problem(200 shots a day for almost a month). I did get to shoot one, it was very nice. I do like the cam draw force curve I think it will be very accurate, much in the way the 10MM is a very accurate pistol. However, I can tell when a bows bushings are goning, and that will be a problem on this bow. This is all from the horses mouth. When I walked in I told him it was between an OG and a Protec (which he don't sell). He would have ever reason to make it look as good as can be, however he told me he wouldn't own one until next years models.
As for the attacks that have happen as of this post. [:'(]
Different opinions are fine, just don't make it personnel.
I pose this question to all of those that bought a new bowtech and think its the best bow ever. Has anyone ever bought a bow and thought it was total junk (In the last 5 years) and not the best bow they have ever shot?
As for the attacks that have happen as of this post. [:'(]
Different opinions are fine, just don't make it personnel.
I pose this question to all of those that bought a new bowtech and think its the best bow ever. Has anyone ever bought a bow and thought it was total junk (In the last 5 years) and not the best bow they have ever shot?
#33
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
Not total junk, but I did buy a brand new bow last year that is touted by a few loyalists on various boards as being the best bow out there, bar none. It was definitely NOT the best bow I've ever shot. Not close. BTW, it wasn't a Bowtech.
#34
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
tho Pat you must know and see yourself how heavily biased this forum has become,
-- we used to be able to discuss equipment objectively with no issues as we all
.. I find it incredibly sad that there are no places anymore where we can all go to discuss the technical side of products freely and objectively without all of the BS of name brand loyalty.(yes, including Merlin!)
I speak with some very regularly, and to a man they are just sick of being attacked whenever they themselves ask a question or respond technically.(ask GRIV about that Pat) Everyone thinks that because we are Pros or work within the industry, that we have no right to learn anymore or comment on other products and I for one don't believe that is right--
when we do ask or comment, and can do so without having to defend ourselves and our questions/viewpoints at every turn, we can thus all bring the industry forward to build better products
Everyone wants to know the details on how this system ticks, it's quirks and it's technical attributes--just so happened I was the one that asked for tech comparasons and gave examples for debate first. ( and of course immediately got flamed for it, LOL)
But as I said I don't believe hype, I believe technical data and my own eyes, along with people I've come to know and trust over the years. I will continue with my testing, and I look forward to others' conclusions and especially Norb Mullaneys' Technical review if he is able to test it. Because----It's all in the data my friends......
Finally, is it really all in the data? To most achers, myself included, all of the high end equipment on the market is going to shoot better than we can. It really isn't rocket science. We tend to make mountains out of mole hills. If I like the way it draws and I like the way it shoots and i can kill deer with it consistently and shoot a decent 3D score with it if I so choose then thats all that I can ask. Does everyone agree that all of the top line bows on the market will do this? I personally don't need Norm Mulaney to tell me whether I like a bow or not.
#35
Typical Buck
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
ORIGINAL: silentassassin
Finally, is it really all in the data? To most achers, myself included, all of the high end equipment on the market is going to shoot better than we can. It really isn't rocket science. We tend to make mountains out of mole hills. If I like the way it draws and I like the way it shoots and i can kill deer with it consistently and shoot a decent 3D score with it if I so choose then thats all that I can ask. Does everyone agree that all of the top line bows on the market will do this? I personally don't need Norm Mulaney to tell me whether I like a bow or not.
Finally, is it really all in the data? To most achers, myself included, all of the high end equipment on the market is going to shoot better than we can. It really isn't rocket science. We tend to make mountains out of mole hills. If I like the way it draws and I like the way it shoots and i can kill deer with it consistently and shoot a decent 3D score with it if I so choose then thats all that I can ask. Does everyone agree that all of the top line bows on the market will do this? I personally don't need Norm Mulaney to tell me whether I like a bow or not.
SA-- This quote in itself tells me alot. You don't want to know or learn from others, and you say it isn't rocket science-- but honestly it can be once you dig into it if one so chooses-- you already have things figured out for yourself as to how far you want to go, or how much tech knowledge you want to store, and honestly, that's fine with me, enjoy! There are many others just like you out there who shoot bows with the same thoughts and I have no quarrel with that, but think of this also for just a minute--
IF everyone had that very same attitude towards shooting a bow, then wouldn't we still all be shooting a "treecurve", honestly? Where would archery technology be today if there wasn't always those others of us out here thinking, tinkering, asking questions, and yes, debating? This is how we come to develop future products that are indeed better, so that everyone else who doesn't want to know "can pick one up and go shoot a deer". Of course there are those of us who do not care about the technical side of the industry---but the flip side is that we also have to have those in it who do, otherwise the industry will stagnate and die in short order.
#36
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
I've seen this so-called 'cam lean' problem mentioned on this and other forums. The worst I've seen is still better than many of the one cam and cam & 1/2 bows on the market.
I'll address this issue if I see it getting worse over time, but I haven't seen it. On our initial Allegiance and Old Glory there have to be thousands of shots on them. There has been no change in cam lean.
I did take the Old Glory apart last week to change the cam size. I was impressed by the very tight fit of the axle to both the bearings and the limbs.
I was, however, disappointed yesterday in the shooting capability of the Old Glory. It kept shooting erratically in the 'Y' mode. Then I realized that I had contacted the flu from my Son. Fever, shakes, chills and loss of strength. "And there you have the rest of the story."
I'll address this issue if I see it getting worse over time, but I haven't seen it. On our initial Allegiance and Old Glory there have to be thousands of shots on them. There has been no change in cam lean.
I did take the Old Glory apart last week to change the cam size. I was impressed by the very tight fit of the axle to both the bearings and the limbs.
I was, however, disappointed yesterday in the shooting capability of the Old Glory. It kept shooting erratically in the 'Y' mode. Then I realized that I had contacted the flu from my Son. Fever, shakes, chills and loss of strength. "And there you have the rest of the story."
#37
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Bowtechs new cam system
You don't want to know or learn from others
. Does everyone agree that all of the top line bows on the market will do this?
#38
RE: Bowtechs new cam system
e-wolf, I am in the same boat as you, I was a little concerned of what I would like on the bowtechs but "KNOCK on WOOD" I have not been disappointed yet. Each bowtech has worked beyond my expectations........besides think of it as an investment that is what I tell my wife. I have an old glory on order in target colors, chomping at the bit[8D] can't wait til it get's here......goodluck in your next bow choice. Thanks for the info LEN, sounds like some great info. some people are just stobborn to the FACTS i Guess.
#40
RE: Bowtechs new cam system
And all this time reading.........I expected to at least read more technical stuff about these cams.[:@] Instead, just a lot of bickering.
Guys, if you have a problem with one anothers posts, take it to PM. I don't like to read page after page of arguement when I'm looking for the real post to a thread. I probably am not the only one.
As for the Bowtechs E cam. I shot two of them, ordered an Allegiance (which still is not here yet, PAT!) Simply put, these bows are awesome shooters. As for the cam lean. Lets give them some time. We'll see down the road whether this really will be a factor. My personal though is no, this issue will not be prominent. I didn't say non-existant, but I think a lot of us are just dying to hear something bad from Bowtech.
Guys, if you have a problem with one anothers posts, take it to PM. I don't like to read page after page of arguement when I'm looking for the real post to a thread. I probably am not the only one.
As for the Bowtechs E cam. I shot two of them, ordered an Allegiance (which still is not here yet, PAT!) Simply put, these bows are awesome shooters. As for the cam lean. Lets give them some time. We'll see down the road whether this really will be a factor. My personal though is no, this issue will not be prominent. I didn't say non-existant, but I think a lot of us are just dying to hear something bad from Bowtech.