Low light visibilty stinks!
09-04-2002, 06:44 PM
#1
Nontypical Buck
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Low light visibilty stinks!
Tonight, I shot for quite a while towards dark to see what kind of low light visibility I have. Well, I didn't like what I see, or couldn't see. I shoot a fletcher tru-peep 3/16", and could not see through it well at all. It seems that the edges of the peep just blurred with everything else.
Is there anything I can try to help this? I was thinking of going to a little bigger peep, or going back to the no-peep.
What do you all think?
Is there anything I can try to help this? I was thinking of going to a little bigger peep, or going back to the no-peep.
What do you all think?
09-04-2002, 06:59 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: wi USA
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
get rid of the peep go to a kisser button i have shot for 38 years with just a kisser and i shoot as well or better than must people who use a peep same anchor same shot.having faith in your anchor well make you a better shot no reson to handicap yourself with a peep in low light.
you can use your pepper spray my 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs works fine
you can use your pepper spray my 12 gauge with 3 inch slugs works fine
09-04-2002, 07:53 PM
#4
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
Muzzyman88,
3/16" is plenty big for a peep for most anyone that has it right.Mine is a bit smaller than that and I can shoot mine in the dark,all I need is a light on the target.No lighted pins or anything.
1 trick is shooting with both eyes open.I find this to be very helpfull.The peep must be rotating all the way around ALL the time.The peep must also be the exact height for you.Try pulling the bow back with your eyes closed and get anchored as if you were getting ready to shoot,when you are ready,then open your eyes and the peep should be in perfect position without you needing to move your head any at all.If it isn't where it should be ,move it.If it isn't rotating enough then try moving a strand from the left side of the peep to the right side to make it rotate more and if it is rotating too much then move a strand to the right side to the left.This is for a right handed shooter.
If everything is absolute,then a bigger peep may be right for you.I know that people with glasses tend to need a bigger peep.At least some of the people I know do.
Just some things to try.I have never had a problem with not being able to see thru a peep.Maybe I am just lucky or the things that I mention above work.I really don't know but they are worth a try.
3/16" is plenty big for a peep for most anyone that has it right.Mine is a bit smaller than that and I can shoot mine in the dark,all I need is a light on the target.No lighted pins or anything.
1 trick is shooting with both eyes open.I find this to be very helpfull.The peep must be rotating all the way around ALL the time.The peep must also be the exact height for you.Try pulling the bow back with your eyes closed and get anchored as if you were getting ready to shoot,when you are ready,then open your eyes and the peep should be in perfect position without you needing to move your head any at all.If it isn't where it should be ,move it.If it isn't rotating enough then try moving a strand from the left side of the peep to the right side to make it rotate more and if it is rotating too much then move a strand to the right side to the left.This is for a right handed shooter.
If everything is absolute,then a bigger peep may be right for you.I know that people with glasses tend to need a bigger peep.At least some of the people I know do.
Just some things to try.I have never had a problem with not being able to see thru a peep.Maybe I am just lucky or the things that I mention above work.I really don't know but they are worth a try.
09-04-2002, 08:44 PM
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
Muzzyman, your post ties into something I read the other day. In the latest issue of 'Bowhunting World' there is a sidebar article about such and such hi-vis sight and the writer starts off by talking about how he couldn't get a shot off at a big buck that was standing broadside at 15 yards, just because he couldn't see his pins. What a shame. What a cryin' shame.
Every time I hear those 'the one that got away' stories, I simply can't believe people would allow themselves to become so addicted to an aiming aid that they would allow it to become such a handicap.
Low light visibility is the #1 reason I hunt without sights.
Darn near ANYBODY can make a good kill shot on a deer at 15 measly yards without using sights! It's a LOT easier to do with a compound than with a stickbow. Just practice! Stand in front of a 15 yard target, lean the bow over a little (cant the bow) to get those sights out of the way and shoot. As long as you have an anchor that puts the nock end of the arrow in line with your eye, it won't take long at all to get the correct sight picture. After that, back up to 20...25..30... Pretty soon, you just might find you don't need sights at all.
Regardless of that, work on getting to where you can hit the short shots without sights, out to 15 yards at the very least. If your all-time deer comes in at 15 yards and you can't see your pins, you'll have the tools to deal with the situation instead of having to sit there with a dumb look on your face while watching that deer walk away.
Every time I hear those 'the one that got away' stories, I simply can't believe people would allow themselves to become so addicted to an aiming aid that they would allow it to become such a handicap.
Low light visibility is the #1 reason I hunt without sights.
Darn near ANYBODY can make a good kill shot on a deer at 15 measly yards without using sights! It's a LOT easier to do with a compound than with a stickbow. Just practice! Stand in front of a 15 yard target, lean the bow over a little (cant the bow) to get those sights out of the way and shoot. As long as you have an anchor that puts the nock end of the arrow in line with your eye, it won't take long at all to get the correct sight picture. After that, back up to 20...25..30... Pretty soon, you just might find you don't need sights at all.
Regardless of that, work on getting to where you can hit the short shots without sights, out to 15 yards at the very least. If your all-time deer comes in at 15 yards and you can't see your pins, you'll have the tools to deal with the situation instead of having to sit there with a dumb look on your face while watching that deer walk away.
09-04-2002, 09:42 PM
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
Sadly I'm oneof those with just such a sob story only the buck was at 13 yards. And Arthur is right you can make that shot without a sight. After that experience I've practised that shot and it's very doable. Not only for the case of low light conditions but also should something happen to your sight while hunting, and also as a check on whether the pin has been bumped. No substitute for experience, is there Arthur? ;-)
09-05-2002, 10:14 AM
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
Jeeeez! When is it going to finally register that a peep sight for hunting purposes is an unnecessary, unreliable, and detrimental piece of crap? A peep sight was not designed for hunting purposes, and will never be completely suitable for all the conditions that will exist when hunting. It cannot.
With some accessories, the word "might" is a proper term when weighing the probability that something "might" go wrong in the field. When weighing the same probability against a peep sight, the terms "will" an "eventually" are appropriate terms.
I see bows equipped with peep sights that are so large in order to accommodate a large view hole, the strain and friction-wear on the string strands has to be incredible.
I especially like the ones that are tied in at three or four sides with string strands running through the shooter's field of view.
How about those peeps that are aligned by the surgical tubing that torque the string and make a resounding "slap," when the shot is made. I have to chuckle and shake my head when a shooter using such type of peep is concerned about other small noises his or her bow is making, but never considers the noise that piece of water hose makes.
Some shooters using peeps sights on short ATA bows are faced with an additional set of problems. Because of the short string and narrow valley, some are finding that there is not enough room from the nocking point to where they need to locate the peep for their anchor. Some are also having problems seeing a complete sight hole because of the extreme angle of the short string.
What amazes me the most, are the various methods used to attempt to tie peeps in so that the peep sight will not slip. They will slip; but when they do the common cause most shooters choose to blame is string stretch. You can tie them in, you can glue them in, you can clamp them in with string nocks, or you can do all of the above. The peep sight will eventually slip.
The law of physics assures the sight will slip. Think about it. The sight is sitting inside of vertical strands of string, strands that are spread apart against an opposing and huge force while static. In other words, the string is always trying to close where you have installed the peep sight. Now you pull the string back. In accordance with draw weight, draw length, string length, etc, the increased and concentrated pressure of the string now trying to close at the area where the strands are spread, increases.
How do you keep the peep from slipping up or down? Well, of course, you apply additional pressure at the point where the strands are spread and already stressed, by clamping or binding the string as close to the peep as you can get; in an attempt to lock a horizontal wrap or clamp, around a smooth and vertical surface. Now the spread strands are opposing the force of the clamp or wrapped string. Under all the forces that are being exerted in a concentrated area, something has to eventually give.
If you tightly (cannot tie loosely) anchor the peep sight using a serving string, especially if you are using "Fast Flight" or a "Spectra" type serving string, I will tell you what can possibly fail; it will be your bow string. When you tightly wrap a strong string i.e., nylon, Fast Flight, Spectra, etc, around strands that are exerting incredible pressure outward and against the tightly wrapped string, there has to be a cutting and/or sawing force occurring at the intersection where the outward force of the strands of the bow string meet the edge of the wrapped string. The larger the peep sight, the greater the pressure being exerted,
If I can cut through a rigid plastic pipe used for underground purposes with 3-1/2 strand nylon serving or "Fast Flight" serving, what chance do the strands of your bowstring have?
So far, does not mean never!
Edited by - c903 on 09/05/2002 17:11:28
With some accessories, the word "might" is a proper term when weighing the probability that something "might" go wrong in the field. When weighing the same probability against a peep sight, the terms "will" an "eventually" are appropriate terms.
I see bows equipped with peep sights that are so large in order to accommodate a large view hole, the strain and friction-wear on the string strands has to be incredible.
I especially like the ones that are tied in at three or four sides with string strands running through the shooter's field of view.
How about those peeps that are aligned by the surgical tubing that torque the string and make a resounding "slap," when the shot is made. I have to chuckle and shake my head when a shooter using such type of peep is concerned about other small noises his or her bow is making, but never considers the noise that piece of water hose makes.
Some shooters using peeps sights on short ATA bows are faced with an additional set of problems. Because of the short string and narrow valley, some are finding that there is not enough room from the nocking point to where they need to locate the peep for their anchor. Some are also having problems seeing a complete sight hole because of the extreme angle of the short string.
What amazes me the most, are the various methods used to attempt to tie peeps in so that the peep sight will not slip. They will slip; but when they do the common cause most shooters choose to blame is string stretch. You can tie them in, you can glue them in, you can clamp them in with string nocks, or you can do all of the above. The peep sight will eventually slip.
The law of physics assures the sight will slip. Think about it. The sight is sitting inside of vertical strands of string, strands that are spread apart against an opposing and huge force while static. In other words, the string is always trying to close where you have installed the peep sight. Now you pull the string back. In accordance with draw weight, draw length, string length, etc, the increased and concentrated pressure of the string now trying to close at the area where the strands are spread, increases.
How do you keep the peep from slipping up or down? Well, of course, you apply additional pressure at the point where the strands are spread and already stressed, by clamping or binding the string as close to the peep as you can get; in an attempt to lock a horizontal wrap or clamp, around a smooth and vertical surface. Now the spread strands are opposing the force of the clamp or wrapped string. Under all the forces that are being exerted in a concentrated area, something has to eventually give.
If you tightly (cannot tie loosely) anchor the peep sight using a serving string, especially if you are using "Fast Flight" or a "Spectra" type serving string, I will tell you what can possibly fail; it will be your bow string. When you tightly wrap a strong string i.e., nylon, Fast Flight, Spectra, etc, around strands that are exerting incredible pressure outward and against the tightly wrapped string, there has to be a cutting and/or sawing force occurring at the intersection where the outward force of the strands of the bow string meet the edge of the wrapped string. The larger the peep sight, the greater the pressure being exerted,
If I can cut through a rigid plastic pipe used for underground purposes with 3-1/2 strand nylon serving or "Fast Flight" serving, what chance do the strands of your bowstring have?
So far, does not mean never!
Edited by - c903 on 09/05/2002 17:11:28
09-05-2002, 10:53 AM
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RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
Wow c903, those are some serious problems I wish I was never made aware of (that could worry me to death<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>). Pretty scary if you ask me. Glad I don't have those kind of problems. I use a super peep on my target setup and I don't have one of the many problems that you mentioned (so far<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>).
Muzzy, Muzzy, Muzzy. Did you let someone talk you out of using the nopeep? You did, didn't you? What was thier reasoning? They don't use one so they obviously suck?
Can you tell I think you might want to try going back to the nopeep?
Arthur (as usual) is giving you some great info here (and Buckfevr's points are good ones too). Try it though; practice. I wouldn't be confident with that from 20 ft up at a 15 yard deer though. Maybe with some serious practice, but there too many variables at the moment of truth. It's all about confidence in your abilities (and proven time after time) and he's been at this forever. At my stage of the game, I'm very, very confident with pins and nopeep alignment and that's what I want when it's life and death.
Good luck!
-Chief
Muzzy, Muzzy, Muzzy. Did you let someone talk you out of using the nopeep? You did, didn't you? What was thier reasoning? They don't use one so they obviously suck?
Can you tell I think you might want to try going back to the nopeep?
Arthur (as usual) is giving you some great info here (and Buckfevr's points are good ones too). Try it though; practice. I wouldn't be confident with that from 20 ft up at a 15 yard deer though. Maybe with some serious practice, but there too many variables at the moment of truth. It's all about confidence in your abilities (and proven time after time) and he's been at this forever. At my stage of the game, I'm very, very confident with pins and nopeep alignment and that's what I want when it's life and death.
Good luck!
-Chief
09-05-2002, 12:54 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Miami FL USA
Posts: 208
RE: Low light visibilty stinks!
When the fiber optic pins shutdown from the lack of light or you can't make the pins out well, its too late to be hunting anyway!!!! Past legal shooting time in most states!!!!!
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