Buckfevr

CJ,

That it broke clean is interesting. Where did it break exactly? By the set screw? That is the weakest spot. That could easily be a manufacturing fluke. If not, they could easily fix that, they could use a smaller head on that set screw and beef up that part of the ferrule.

I use this head and I really like the design, but some of us have discussed concern about the strength of the ferrule previously. I think this is an interesting discussion.

Someone is going to have to put a trocar tip on this design.

CG

Buckfevr,
If you look at the head with the tip out, the profile is shaped like a U. It broke off on one side right at the "bottom" of the U and about half-way up the taped hole on the other side of the U. Make sense? I'll try to get it back from my buddy so I can post a pic.

"What we do in this life echos an eternity"

Buckfevr

I went ahead and decided to sacrifice my snyper practise head. I wanted to see where it would break. I placed one of those lanscaping stone blocks, the kind that are used for retention walls, up against the basement wall about 3.5 feet off the ground. I'm shooting a Mathews FX around 67LBS 28 inch draw, 7595 goldtips, the bow is well tuned. The shot was from 15yards, I should be at around 60 ft/lbs or close to it at that distance.

The arrow hit and bounced back towards me.

The tip buried into the concrete block where it remained and the ferrule broke off right at the bottom of the U of the tip. It broke in a fashion that is very similar to what CG described. And the ferrule peeled back a bit, I'm sure that would have inhibited penetration.

That said, I have seen what this head does to a whitetail spine and to several whitetail ribs. For me this is still the best mechanical head for whitetails, with one caveat. Don't hit the shoulder. I would have to say that for game larger than a whitetail think fixed head, I like the rocky ti100 because of the strength of the solid ferrule.

FWIW

BOWFANATIC

First , Silentassassin , this board would be a much better place without your condescending , smart allick replies!!! And for the record , I dont believe you've ever setup 50 bows , let alone 500!
When you said you had good ke and a broadside shot and your spitfire only penetrated 6" from a properly tuned bow?? I'm sure the question of the day from all spitfire users would be ; Where was the shot placement? I'm sure the spitfire users on this board would agree , your full of b.s.!

CG , I apoligize if you thought my post was intended to accuse you of falsely representing a product. When I made my post , I was simply trying to calm down the fella who had a bug up his drawers , and was accusing you of giving snypers a bad rap. I just stated that not all of the circumstances were known , other than low kinetic energy , like how well tuned his bow was , shot placement , branch ricochet , etc.
And YES , I do use snypers! But , if I was foolish enough to shy away from a product everytime I hear of a bad experience , I dont know what I would be shooting , or even driving , because every product seems to have a bad consumer experience sooner or later.
Anyway , thanks for the report , I appreciate hearing the good and the bad experiences.

Edited by - bowfanatic on 09/05/2002 00:28:59

PABowhntr

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> But , if I was foolish enough to shy away from a product everytime I hear of a bad experience , I dont know what I would be shooting , or even driving , because every product seems to have a bad consumer experience sooner or later.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

...not my Kia!!

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Sorry, I had to be &quot;Mr. Smarty Pants&quot;...I just couldn't resist.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Buckfevr

And because I can't leave well enough alone, I went ahead and repeated the test using a rocky ti100. Everything the same I hit about 1 inch above where the Snyper hit. Sparks flew on this one. About one third of the very tip of the ferrule of the rocky ti broke off, it shattered the area of the stone where it hit, as opposed to sticking into it, like the head of the Snyper did. The broadhead was driven back into the goldtip shaft about 1inch. The blades were still intact and were held in place. Except for the little bit of damage to the tip the ferrule, the rocky ti looked to be in excellent condition. That is one strong ferrule. That ferrule essentially exceeds the strength of the Goldtip7595.

One thing about that Snyper though. Even though the ferrule gave out to the load that was placed on it, it was real impressive to see how that entire blade tip and the part of the ferrule that holds it completely embedded into the concrete.

So anyway I think it does illustrate a lot of the things that we talk about and are concerned about. That a setup have adequate energy for the broadhead that is being selected, that it is properly tuned and that the broadhead be matched to the game that is being hunted.

Again just my thoughts on the matter.

Edited by - Buckfevr on 09/04/2002 23:01:39

Rob/PA Bowyer

Buckfvr, you go boy and thanks for the sacrificial broadhead tests, outstanding my man! That's testing to the extreme....I like it!<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>

Seriously, thanks, alot of people wouldn't go the those measures and it's information worth knowing. I'm trying the Snypers for a second year.

It obviously failed, why, hard to say, wasn't there, didn't see the head prior to the shot, I've shot Muzzy's for over 10 years, I've intentionally shot them into block walls, trust me, they bend, break, come apart......elk have tough bones, I wouldn't have used a Snyper on elk, I'd pick Muzzy, in fact I shot my bull with a Muzzy on the end of a Beman Trophy Hunter 70/90, blew through and 10 yards more. Would a Snyper have done that, don't know, didn't use them. I'll use Snypers on whitetails again this year, if I get out elk huntin again, Muzzy will be my weapon of choice.

IMHO!

<font color=blue>Good Luck and Good Shooting</font id=blue>

<font color=red>Rob</font id=red>

5 shot

Man this thread got ugly fast!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> CG, thank you again for the report. It does sound like the head broke prior to the elk falling, and that is not a good thing. Without actual field reports on heads we don't really have all the information, and reports such as yours are very valuable in helping we bowhunters choose the broadhead that best suites our needs. Again Thank you.

TAKE YOUR KIDS HUNTING AND YOU WON'T BE HUNTING FOR YOUR KIDS

5 shot

After rereading this thread I got to thinking, some may say that my broadhead tests are too severe, after all what deer or elk has plywood, tires, and steel on their hide or in the body? The snypers did very well in my tests, penetrating the plywood as well as any fixed blade head, and going through one side of the steel drum without a problem, and only minor blade bending. The Tip and ferule were in excellent shape. Then I used one on a deer last year, the head preformed super on the buck, passing through and opening quickly. The shot was 23 yards with a bow pushing 66 ft/lbs of energy and well tuned. After passing through the deer it hit a rock in the ground, and the tip and ferule bent. Actualy the blade tip was fine, but the Ferule bent in and near the location that CG described. This is a weak point in the head, no doubt, but I still believe it is the best mechanical on the market. I have had many mechanicals fall to peices in the steel drum, and some even bounced off! It is cases like the one described in this thread that give me confidence that my tests are actualy fair and usefull in determining what heads are good, and what heads are not. I have seen more damage to broadheads going into animals and skipping across the ground in actual hunting situations than I do in my testing. What this tells me is that anything can and will happen when shooting into game, especialy animals as large as elk! I beilieve what CG said happend, and That is a problem, it may never happen again, or it could happen the very next time someone takes the same shot. Just choose your equipment wisely, and don't pick your broadhead based on a perfect shot, but rather choose one that will give you the best chance to recover your game with those shots that are not so perfect, or when something goes wrong. This is one reason I never recomend mechanicals for animals larger than deer. They really are not made to takle game that large, in my opinion anyway. For Those who insist on using them, I still recomend the Snypers or Steel heads as the best choice, but do so at your own risk.

TAKE YOUR KIDS HUNTING AND YOU WON'T BE HUNTING FOR YOUR KIDS

silentassassin

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>First , Silentassassin , this board would be a much better place without your condescending , smart allick replies!!! And for the record , I dont believe you've ever setup 50 bows , let alone 500!
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Aw, shucks<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> That hurts coming from you<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle> I was really hoping to have impressed someone with your &quot;qualifications&quot;<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> When you said you had good ke and a broadside shot and your spitfire only penetrated 6&quot; from a properly tuned bow?? I'm sure the question of the day from all spitfire users would be ; Where was the shot placement? I'm sure the spitfire users on this board would agree , your full of b.s.!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
The shot was right behind the shoulder and whether or not you like it or like me that is where I shoot 99% of them. I don't care whether you or anyone else here thinks I am full of BS because I know what I have seen with my own eyes. I get good laughs out of guys like you fanatic. There are a lot of you &quot;wannabees&quot; in here that think they know something and you run off trying to spout it to everyone that will listen. If you will notice the only time I really step in is when some !@$!%$% like you is preaching to some guy that his buddies bow wasn't tuned(eventhough you have no idea) and low KE caused a broadhead to bend (how stupid is that) blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Like me or not I have probably forgot more about this stuff than you know.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Silentassassin


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