Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
08-29-2002, 10:37 AM
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Fork Horn
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Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
After hunting season I would like to try and put together a matched set of arrows, but beyond weighing them how do I go about this? Are components precise, can you add additional glue for extra weight, etc. Can anybody help me out? I am also looking at switching to the GT XT 3555 with 100 or 125 grain heads. I currently shoot the 5575 at 27" with 75 grain heads. According to the calculators this is a terrible FOC, and spine is too hard. Surprisingly I actually shoot halfway decent with this setup. Would changing to a more appropriate arrow and heavier head improve my shooting more? And in answer to a comment on a post somewhere: NO, archers are never satisfied with what they shoot if they think they can improve upon it!!! (I've read so many posts today my eyes are blurry!)
08-29-2002, 04:48 PM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
Lady Arwen: Since your not haveing much luck with your question try going here http://www.eastonarchery.com/downloa...guide_full.pdf
I think for starters your best bet would be to find shafts and components that are held to very tight tolerences. The download above should give you something to further blurr your vision.
I think for starters your best bet would be to find shafts and components that are held to very tight tolerences. The download above should give you something to further blurr your vision.
08-30-2002, 10:30 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
I once went as far as weighing each vane, tip, nock, insert, and shaft and recorded all weights and then matched components to get the best "fit" weight wise to have all my arrows as close in weight as possible. Only variable was my glue. I did get all arrows within 1 grain of each other! Am I nuts? Probably!!!
08-30-2002, 10:47 PM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
Lady Arwen
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I currently shoot the 5575 at 27" with 75 grain heads. According to the calculators this is a terrible FOC, and spine is too hard.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
The first thing you should try is to increase you're point weight with the arrows you have now. This will do two things for you
1) increase you're FOC
2) decrease you're spine.
From what I gather in you're post that is what you're trying to accomplish. Why buy more shafts if you don't have to? If you post more about you're setup I can run some numbers for you also.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Surprisingly I actually shoot halfway decent with this setup. Would changing to a more appropriate arrow and heavier head improve my shooting more?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
It will sure improve the potential to shoot better. In is not possible to properly tune a bow if you are not spined correctly.
hope this helps
Bloodtrail1
I am glad to see I am not the only one who has gone to those extremes. I actually got a matched set af ACC's after alot of work. 10 of the 12 all weighed the same!!
Andrew
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I currently shoot the 5575 at 27" with 75 grain heads. According to the calculators this is a terrible FOC, and spine is too hard.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
The first thing you should try is to increase you're point weight with the arrows you have now. This will do two things for you
1) increase you're FOC
2) decrease you're spine.
From what I gather in you're post that is what you're trying to accomplish. Why buy more shafts if you don't have to? If you post more about you're setup I can run some numbers for you also.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Surprisingly I actually shoot halfway decent with this setup. Would changing to a more appropriate arrow and heavier head improve my shooting more?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
It will sure improve the potential to shoot better. In is not possible to properly tune a bow if you are not spined correctly.
hope this helps
Bloodtrail1
I am glad to see I am not the only one who has gone to those extremes. I actually got a matched set af ACC's after alot of work. 10 of the 12 all weighed the same!!
Andrew
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09-01-2002, 08:43 AM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
I was real surprized to see how consistant my camo Gold Tips weighed.Most were within a couple of grains of each other.That doesn't mean they will fly the same though.Out of a dozen I have four that I would say fly good.Ron
09-04-2002, 04:26 PM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
ACLakey: How much would you say that having matched arrows improved your shooting? Was it worth all the time (and I'm sure!) aggravation?
Bloodtrail1: According to Goldtip's chart even with a 125 grain tip I'd still be over-spined with the 5575's. I'm trying to get better groups and of course correct the FOC problem. I'm one of those archers who isn't going to be satisfied until I'm busting nocks with every shot at 30 yards.
Bloodtrail1: According to Goldtip's chart even with a 125 grain tip I'd still be over-spined with the 5575's. I'm trying to get better groups and of course correct the FOC problem. I'm one of those archers who isn't going to be satisfied until I'm busting nocks with every shot at 30 yards.
09-04-2002, 06:14 PM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
Lady Arwen-
Good for you! Busting nocks at 30 is what you want to strive for! When you get good at that, then go for 40! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
For my tournament arrows I match weigh every component of my arrows after floating them to find the high spine, to which I apply the cock vane. (Tru-Flite Pro-Series shafts come with the cock vane on the high spine also if you don't feel like playing with them) Nocks are usually all dead-on, if so I install them and weigh my cut-to-length shafts with them. Then I seperately weigh my vanes so all three match per shaft. I then fletch the match-weighed shafts with the match-weighed vanes. Then come the points, all matched, then installed on the matched arrows. When I'm all done I weigh them again, and put aside any that are not within a grain.
Yes, we may all be nuts, but I like to think that anything you can do to help make youself more confident in your equipment will make you a better archer. Works for me! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
Edit-- Almost forgot! I usually run within two boxes lighter on the easton target/field/shaft guide for target applications. My best combinations usually run one box lighter, (50-55 for instance instead of 55-60) and I carry a FOC of right around 8% for all of my arrows. Good luck!
Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 09/04/2002 19:21:21
Good for you! Busting nocks at 30 is what you want to strive for! When you get good at that, then go for 40! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
For my tournament arrows I match weigh every component of my arrows after floating them to find the high spine, to which I apply the cock vane. (Tru-Flite Pro-Series shafts come with the cock vane on the high spine also if you don't feel like playing with them) Nocks are usually all dead-on, if so I install them and weigh my cut-to-length shafts with them. Then I seperately weigh my vanes so all three match per shaft. I then fletch the match-weighed shafts with the match-weighed vanes. Then come the points, all matched, then installed on the matched arrows. When I'm all done I weigh them again, and put aside any that are not within a grain.
Yes, we may all be nuts, but I like to think that anything you can do to help make youself more confident in your equipment will make you a better archer. Works for me! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
Edit-- Almost forgot! I usually run within two boxes lighter on the easton target/field/shaft guide for target applications. My best combinations usually run one box lighter, (50-55 for instance instead of 55-60) and I carry a FOC of right around 8% for all of my arrows. Good luck!
Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 09/04/2002 19:21:21
09-04-2002, 08:56 PM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
Lady Arwen
Pinwheel 12 hit it on the head. I think it is more of a confidence thing. You strive for consistency, that is the name of the accuracy game. I know I can grab any one of those arrows in my quiver and it hit where I want it. I make sure all of my equipment is tuned as good as I can get it. If I miss I know it was my own fault.
Andrew
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Pinwheel 12 hit it on the head. I think it is more of a confidence thing. You strive for consistency, that is the name of the accuracy game. I know I can grab any one of those arrows in my quiver and it hit where I want it. I make sure all of my equipment is tuned as good as I can get it. If I miss I know it was my own fault.
Andrew
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09-05-2002, 09:42 AM
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RE: Building a set of (weight) matched arrows
Lady. I built a matched set of six. First a grain scale is a must.
then I weighted everything, I was down to fileing off excess metal on tips and inserts to get them all the same. I did get the six all within one grain of each other. did it help, nope, same accuracy as another set I just threw toghter not paying any attention to detail, those are within 15 grains of one another. The bottom line for me is if I want better accuracy I need to work on more consistant form, grip release ect ect.
then I weighted everything, I was down to fileing off excess metal on tips and inserts to get them all the same. I did get the six all within one grain of each other. did it help, nope, same accuracy as another set I just threw toghter not paying any attention to detail, those are within 15 grains of one another. The bottom line for me is if I want better accuracy I need to work on more consistant form, grip release ect ect.
