Matt / PA

Vaughn,
I'll tell ya, I can draw 70-80# bows no problem under any hunting condition but I'm getting a 60# myself.
No need for anything heavier! It'll draw like butter and still give me all the power I need.
It will provide more KE at 60# than many 70# models on the market.

CLOUD 9, MN

Thats kind of what I'm thinking. I really don't want to be worried about drawing my bow. (as you may remember, I did have that disaster). Matt......If you had to guess the arow you will shoot, weight and tip weight, what will they be? What expandable? Could you still shoot a big expandable, like 1 1/2"?

Thanks

Matt / PA

Vaughn,
I'm guessing since a 29"/60# Allegiance is doing 317fps with a 300gr arrow, that a 30" model will most likely do 327-328fps. (That's nuts for a 7" brace height and a full string![:-])
So what that means is that my 400gr A/C/C 3-60's at 30"/60# should be doing somewhere around 300fps based upon WWAG's doing 287fps with a 397gr arrow.
At 290-300fps for my 400gr A/C/C that's 75 to 80ft lbs of KE!
If he's shooting 287fps at 397 there's no way I'll be under 290fps for my 400gr. even at 60#'s! That is just unreal performance.
That's enough KE for any mechanical I feel like shooting and I will most likely shoot the 4 blade Rocket Sidewinders or Slammerheads I like so much.

DaveC

Wow, those are strong #ers!

NOVA14

So shooting a 385 grain acc out of a allegiance at 65#'s and 28.5 or 29" draw i could exspect 300+?


If so that is unreal, thats better then a unloaded supertec with a 6"bh

walks with a gimp

Well,, I got 287 fps with a 391.4 grain Easton Fatboy 340 @ 60/29 so add about 2 fps per pound of draw weight increase,,, 5 pounds X 2fps = 10 + 287 = 297 fps. Might not make it but I'm guessing that you'll be VERY close if not over 75 ft. lbs. K.E. Heck,,, you could probably shoot a 7 inch mechanical with that much energy

walks with a gimp

Just couldn't wait for the cold and wind to pass, so I shot the Allegiance in the basement today It's more quiet than I thought (without my teeth chattering like they were outside!!!!) I'd say it is very close to my Justice in terms of noise and I did notice there was more cable slide travel than the Justice. I measured the slide travel at 1 3/8 inches (on this 29 inch draw bow) so I'm thinking that drop away users will find that tuning their rests will be easier. The Muzzy Zero Effect should work better on this bow also Cable clearance seemed to be very good and noticed that the cables don't cross through your viewing area in the sight window (I read a complaint of this somewhere[&:])
Hopefully I can shoot this bow outside on Sunday!!!!!!

JOE PA

Russ:

How would you say the Allegiance compares with your Patriot Duallys. Since I currently have an '03 Dually, it would give me an idea what the differences would be. Thanks!

walks with a gimp

Honestly,,, it feels VERY much like my '03 Patriot Dually but smoother and then there's that Infinity cam like stop It's the best of all good traits of all BowTech's cam systems rolled into one. My '03 Pat DC's birth certificate read 318 IBO at 70/29 so this 60 pounder is right with the '03 PatDC. My '03 Pro 40 DC was a 60/29 and it's B.C. read 315 IBO.
The Allegiance is definately quieter than the Dually and has a longer valley IMO. Looking at the cable tracks, I'll go out on a limb and guess that you won't see serving separation like on single cam bows due to the lack of sharp bends that the cables have to make. The small outside lobe on the Equalizer cam system is pretty much round but small and consistent, don't think there will be much of a problem there

bige1769

Will the Allegiance shoot better than the Defender since it has a longer ATA or the Defender with a longer BH. Just trying to decide which I want to hunt with and some 3D. My dealer only has the Old Glory so far. Love my Justice but want something faster this year.