Another boring report – No-Peep
03-05-2002, 05:37 PM
#11
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Talent OR USA
Posts: 26
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
I put my no-peep on last spring and loved it right away. Like Rack-attack said you know right away if you change anything in your shooting style and after awile you just take a quick glance at it before you start to aim. It really helps you stay consistant with your form. I took mine off for hunting season last fall and started shooting this year without it. I was'nt happy with my groups so I put it back on. Better groups right away. I'll never take mine off again. Never a turned peep, bad glare or low light problems again. My level fell off of mine and They sent me a new one. New models are more easily adjustable [so they told me] and don't come with a level.
03-05-2002, 06:06 PM
#12
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: salt lake city ut USA
Posts: 1
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
I've been using a no peep for about a year now. It has been perfect. Completely transformed my form.
I just switched from fingers to a release about two months ago. This is where I noticed the first problem with a no peep.
When spot shooting on a vegas face every little form flaw shows up as something other than a 10 or x. I have noticed that even though the no peep is lined up perfectly my back tension and form can still be somewhat different.
Last night I decided to try a very small string peep in addition to the no peep. Wow! I was doing things very differently upon release without the string peep. For some reason the string peep cleans that up significantly.
I haven't shot a score with the two on at the same time yet, but from my 10 yard practice (300 26x on a vegas face) I'm guessing my scores will jump dramatically again.
With that said. I'll be hunting exlusively with the no peep again next year. String peeps are a pain to see through.
Cheers,
Pete
I just switched from fingers to a release about two months ago. This is where I noticed the first problem with a no peep.
When spot shooting on a vegas face every little form flaw shows up as something other than a 10 or x. I have noticed that even though the no peep is lined up perfectly my back tension and form can still be somewhat different.
Last night I decided to try a very small string peep in addition to the no peep. Wow! I was doing things very differently upon release without the string peep. For some reason the string peep cleans that up significantly.
I haven't shot a score with the two on at the same time yet, but from my 10 yard practice (300 26x on a vegas face) I'm guessing my scores will jump dramatically again.
With that said. I'll be hunting exlusively with the no peep again next year. String peeps are a pain to see through.
Cheers,
Pete
03-05-2002, 11:24 PM
#13
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Eagle River AK USA
Posts: 68
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
I went ot a no-peep when I started using glasses and wouldn't want to shoot without it. The surprising thing is that once I put it on I can shoot with or without my glasses in most cases. It definitely extends the daylight hours for my aging eyes!
03-06-2002, 04:55 AM
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southeast PA
Posts: 242
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
I personally feel the No-Peep is one of the greatest archery products of the last 10 years. Not everyone likes them, but the majority that try them love them. You just need to use them CORRECTLY (i.e. - read the instructions). Some folks say that they are a bugger to set up, but that hasn't been my experience.
Timberline sell 'blems' on their website for a good price. Generally, you can't tell what makes it a blem. I certainly can't tell you what the blemish is on mine.
Timberline sell 'blems' on their website for a good price. Generally, you can't tell what makes it a blem. I certainly can't tell you what the blemish is on mine.
03-06-2002, 07:08 AM
#15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 158
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
PAB, tell me it isn't so ! With all the bows and gadgets you've gone thru over the past few years, you've never tried one? Do yourself a favor, try one on whatever bow you own this week. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I predict that once you do, the No Peep will be the only gadget that you won't want to replace. Its that good.
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Turc
03-06-2002, 10:36 AM
#16
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: East Yapank NY USA
Posts: 3,457
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
Glad to see so many people using and liking this great little gadget!
I don't think I will ever shoot without one
..........unless I pick up that hind sight I was looking at.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I don't think I will ever shoot without one
..........unless I pick up that hind sight I was looking at.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
03-07-2002, 10:37 AM
#17
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location:
Posts: 520
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
PAB:
I bought two when they first came out, and I don't use them any more. I don't think my comments are so much negative as just "these are some issues."
They didn't mount on the first two bows I tried to mount them on. I can't remember why now, but one was a tech riser. Believe me I tried everything. However the bracket is different now.
They are difficult to adjust. They now have a vertical micro drive. Anyway, this only affects you initialy.
A lot of folks like them because they can't master peep rotation. If you had a proper peep, why would you want this? On the other hand, unless you have a bow press getting peeps right can be a problem with some bows. It would make it easier to do a string change if the peep wasn't part of the deal.
If you are new to torque, this thing may be neat, but if you already know about that... Also just twisting your hand back won't help, you need a neutral position for the hand, once you have it, you don't need an NP to maintain it.
I don't want to be looking anywhere but the target at any time during the aiming cycle. With live targets even looking away for micro seconds can be a problem. There was also a whole thing I wrote about floating the pin with this thing that I won't go into again.
Don't be fooled into thinking that any kind of riser alignment system replaces a string alignment system. There are three things that need to be in line, the aiming point, the riser, and the string. So far our aiming system only gets two of these (unless you use the NP and a peep, or something simmilar). I personaly prefer having positive alignment of my string and sight, and depending on my body reference for torque. Anyone is welcome to their own system on this. Just keep in mind that when you swap out the peep for an NP you probably can coast on good habits from years of looking through a peep. Over time you may loose track, so keep an eye on your string alignment and anchor.
Accuracy is something I haven't heard convincingly on. I did hear some good target shooters use it (only counts if you don't also use a peep) but that doesn't prove anything since good shooters can be very accurate without any peep system at all, or even sights. On the other hand, since I initialy instaled it for hunting, I know it was accurate enough for that.
There isn't any third axis adjustment.
Does anyone know whether it is sllowed in classes that limit string hardware to a nocking point?
I am not anti-NP. I hope they come out with a serious model built like a quality sight some day.
I bought two when they first came out, and I don't use them any more. I don't think my comments are so much negative as just "these are some issues."
They didn't mount on the first two bows I tried to mount them on. I can't remember why now, but one was a tech riser. Believe me I tried everything. However the bracket is different now.
They are difficult to adjust. They now have a vertical micro drive. Anyway, this only affects you initialy.
A lot of folks like them because they can't master peep rotation. If you had a proper peep, why would you want this? On the other hand, unless you have a bow press getting peeps right can be a problem with some bows. It would make it easier to do a string change if the peep wasn't part of the deal.
If you are new to torque, this thing may be neat, but if you already know about that... Also just twisting your hand back won't help, you need a neutral position for the hand, once you have it, you don't need an NP to maintain it.
I don't want to be looking anywhere but the target at any time during the aiming cycle. With live targets even looking away for micro seconds can be a problem. There was also a whole thing I wrote about floating the pin with this thing that I won't go into again.
Don't be fooled into thinking that any kind of riser alignment system replaces a string alignment system. There are three things that need to be in line, the aiming point, the riser, and the string. So far our aiming system only gets two of these (unless you use the NP and a peep, or something simmilar). I personaly prefer having positive alignment of my string and sight, and depending on my body reference for torque. Anyone is welcome to their own system on this. Just keep in mind that when you swap out the peep for an NP you probably can coast on good habits from years of looking through a peep. Over time you may loose track, so keep an eye on your string alignment and anchor.
Accuracy is something I haven't heard convincingly on. I did hear some good target shooters use it (only counts if you don't also use a peep) but that doesn't prove anything since good shooters can be very accurate without any peep system at all, or even sights. On the other hand, since I initialy instaled it for hunting, I know it was accurate enough for that.
There isn't any third axis adjustment.
Does anyone know whether it is sllowed in classes that limit string hardware to a nocking point?
I am not anti-NP. I hope they come out with a serious model built like a quality sight some day.
03-07-2002, 10:58 AM
#18
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kenosha, Wi USA
Posts: 499
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
"If you had a proper peep, why would you want this?"
A peep does not show you any of the hand torque or bad form alignment on downward angle shooting- like from a treestand.
"I don't want to be looking anywhere but the target at any time during the aiming cycle"
Once you get used to the NP, peripheral vision let's you keep your eye on target while still being able to do a quick check of the NP alignment.
"Don't be fooled into thinking that any kind of riser alignment system replaces a string alignment system."
As long as you have a consistent anchor, the string alignment should take care of itself. Riser torqueing has more of an affect on accuracy- and you can't see that with a conventional peep.
"There are three things that need to be in line, the aiming point, the riser, and the string"
You could torque the heck out of the riser and still be "in line".
The NP is meant primarily an aid to hunting setups. It's outstanding at showing form inconsistencies in different shooting postitions. A conventional peep inhibits shooting ability at those crucial moments of fading daylight.
They most likely won't come out with any other "serious model built like a quality sight" because the cost would be prohibitive for the average bowhunter, and THAT'S the intended market of this device- not target shooters who will generally spend more on their setups.
Great product for bowhunting.
A peep does not show you any of the hand torque or bad form alignment on downward angle shooting- like from a treestand.
"I don't want to be looking anywhere but the target at any time during the aiming cycle"
Once you get used to the NP, peripheral vision let's you keep your eye on target while still being able to do a quick check of the NP alignment.
"Don't be fooled into thinking that any kind of riser alignment system replaces a string alignment system."
As long as you have a consistent anchor, the string alignment should take care of itself. Riser torqueing has more of an affect on accuracy- and you can't see that with a conventional peep.
"There are three things that need to be in line, the aiming point, the riser, and the string"
You could torque the heck out of the riser and still be "in line".
The NP is meant primarily an aid to hunting setups. It's outstanding at showing form inconsistencies in different shooting postitions. A conventional peep inhibits shooting ability at those crucial moments of fading daylight.
They most likely won't come out with any other "serious model built like a quality sight" because the cost would be prohibitive for the average bowhunter, and THAT'S the intended market of this device- not target shooters who will generally spend more on their setups.
Great product for bowhunting.
03-07-2002, 11:15 AM
#19
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location:
Posts: 2,413
RE: Another boring report – No-Peep
Ossage,
The no-peep will not replace a poor anchor and it will not eliminate torque, but it can be an aid to help one recognize it. Besides, it's main benefit is for hunters. In low light hunting situations, string peeps can make you so mad, you'll swear never to use one again. I know, because I took that oath!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I tried the "C-peep" and the hole was too large to be as accurate as I liked and the outside edges still got in the way of a clean view of the animal. When it comes right down to it, the no-peep is a far superior product over a regular peep for the serious hunter who may be shooting in low light situations. It's unobtrusive and after several hundred shots with it, you'll find yourself hardly looking at it, and yet coming to the same anchor point with greater consistancy. Every now and then I glance at mine and find myself somewhat shocked that I don't have to move a fraction of a millimeter to adjust my anchor. I think it's a fantastic tool for the bowhunter.
The no-peep will not replace a poor anchor and it will not eliminate torque, but it can be an aid to help one recognize it. Besides, it's main benefit is for hunters. In low light hunting situations, string peeps can make you so mad, you'll swear never to use one again. I know, because I took that oath!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I tried the "C-peep" and the hole was too large to be as accurate as I liked and the outside edges still got in the way of a clean view of the animal. When it comes right down to it, the no-peep is a far superior product over a regular peep for the serious hunter who may be shooting in low light situations. It's unobtrusive and after several hundred shots with it, you'll find yourself hardly looking at it, and yet coming to the same anchor point with greater consistancy. Every now and then I glance at mine and find myself somewhat shocked that I don't have to move a fraction of a millimeter to adjust my anchor. I think it's a fantastic tool for the bowhunter.