Ossage

Well that is good news as far as it goes. I figured it was the cable, so basically all they did was deepen the cutout for the cams. That area of the limb is usualy massive, and in all likelyhood wasn't cut out to the degree it should have been anyway. Safety wise it still needs to be done in such a way as not to create stress risers. The limb end area is often as much as twice as thick as the bending area of the limb, it is under less flex stress, though more stress otherwise (cutouts and loading point for string stops etc...) If the limb is twice as thick, then it will be 8 times stiffer, and 4 times stronger, this is where the redundancy comes form, on the other hand it is also why a rough area or poor machining can stress raise so massively.

The rest stuff is BS as far as I know. If that was the case why wouldn't they just suggest changing the rest rather than mangling the bow?

You may well have rights under state law that the company may have to deal with. You might want to look into the upgrade path claims with a state consumer person. You could try an email to the company asking them who the state could contact for further information, just to concentrate their minds.

Bowtech has a simmilar deal on a bow that appears to include an upgrade path for limbs, strings, and cams for $75. I don't know anything about it but here is a link to the video clip:

http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/featu...icles/AMO2002/

JeffB

LadyForge,

To put it bluntly: If I recieved that sort of response from Forge I would tell them where exactly they could put that bow of theirs.

As far as the upgrade: unless you are willing to make a stink about it legally (which would be much more costly in the end than buying a new bow, unless you have laywer friend who would do some work for free), I would just chalk it up to caveat emptor, and move on.

Ossage is correct in that Bowtech does offer a model w/ a 75 smackeroo upgrade , but I believe it the RASCAL , which although very nice, is not a "full-sized" adult bow. They might also offer the same option on the Stalker Lite which is their new "full sized" adult bow geared towards women, and shorter draw archers. You might wish to contact BowTech and see, or perhaps if Pat (BowTech Shooter) reads this he might know for outright.

Whatever the case, I personally would be out shopping for a new bow, whether they wanted to fix it or not.

That's my 2 cents for what it's worth

JeffB

Ossage

Jeff is right the Rascal is designed for small archers, it has a Patriot type limb, and they say that with 25"/40# you get 260 fps. But that is the maximum weight so it wouldn't be upgradeable from that point.

Lady Forge

Black Frog; I am using a golden key prong shoot through rest( pretty simple prong rest )nothing weird or fancy. Ossage;; where the dealer did the grinding down was just after the V begins in the limb, the limbs on the forge lighting strike at the V and in the area where he did the grinding is not thicker, it is the almost the same thickness as the thickness of the limb at the beginning of the limb.The grinding was not done in the length of the V but done in the width of the V. Tell me what do you think???

Ossage

The width of the V will reduce the area's strength, but just proportionaly to the degree of the material removed. If material is taken off the back (target side)it can be really serious the face (side you see when shooting) is the best area for thinning the limbs, but obviously wouldn't increse the cam clearance. The key issue is whether the widening was done in a very smooth maner, otherwise there could be a stress riser. Presumably the factory believes that what is being done here consists of moving the bow towards factory specs for this model and cam. That would be just fine, but I don't have that much confidence since you seem to imply that the string is already wearing again. In which case the job didn't restore factory specs (so how good a job was it), those specs don't work (unlikely?), or something else is also wrong like a burr on the cam or whatever. If you want to persue remediation, then one option would be for you to ask the factory to provide you with factory specs. How wide, how thick, what are the dimension of the cutout. I don't know how much fitting of the limbs they do at the factory, but depending on their process, not all limbs will be indentical due to tiller and weight issues, but the cut-outs maust have some minimal specs. If you have calipers amoung the family treasure you could do your own measurements to see what gives.

Lady Forge

Some good food for thought Ossage. Thankyou for taking the time to help me out with this I appreciate it very much.I think I am going to go to the dealer and ask him to have the limb replaced with a new limb ( do to the fact that I did not authorize the work to be done on the bow )I only asked him to find out how the problem could be remidied and for a explanation from the company as to why the problem was occuring.If that dosent work then I will go back to the company with the same request and get an answer from the horses mouth.So wish me luck I think im gonna need it.

Grndzer

Who is this dealer? I hope he is not in my area! But,I could think of one that would do some crap like that. " NOT HAROLD!"

Ossage

Good luck!

Lady Forge

I spoke with Forge Bow Company this morning and I explained that I was not comfortable with shooting the bow with the limb grinded down, To me archery is so mental and I could not concentrate on the shot when I was busy worrying that the bow might blow any time, So I explained to them that I would like the limb replaced under my warranty. There response was that that would be no problem and they said that they like to keep their customers happy.So they said the limb will be here tommorrow but one hich, I have to take it back to the dealer to have it installed. So I figure here we go again. But if I look at it from another perspective maybe if the dealer beats it up bad enough I can get a whole new bow out of the deal.I guess there is always another way to look at things. Im dying here I havent been able to shoot for 2 weeks here<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>Tip for you all. If you find out the shop that has been working on your bow keeps a fridge full of beer in the shop, take your bow else were.BOOZE AND BOWS, NOT A GOOD MIX!!!!!!

moonge

Lady Forge I hate to say this but it's time to find a new dealer & a new bow to shoot. I could never imagine Hoyt, mathews, pse or anyone else ever telling a dealer to grind down the limbs to fix a design flaw. also to blame the rest is crazy, I have never heard that one before! I would also be mad about the dents & dings, that was really bad that they did that. I would get the bow fixed, touch up the dings with paint & then sell it. move on to another bow & dealer that will give you good service.