Winger

You should post the name/location here on the great big world wide web so that others don't get snookered by them <img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Winger

Nubbb

DOES MAIL ORDER SOUND LIKE A GOOD IDEA? I'LL BET THAT YOU COULD CALL BOWTECH AND GET THEIR BLESSING FOR LEN OR HUNTERSFRIEND TO SHIP YOU ONE ALL SET UP! Your kind of experience is really BS and is why consumers need choice.

Pinwheel 12

That is EXACTLY the type of thing I spoke of in another thread. Unfortunately, Len, Mike, or myself cannot sell to you or anyone via the internet or mail-order with Bowtech, Mathews, or Hoyt. If they find out, the dealership is pulled immediately. That is the policy, end of story, ain't worth it to us to lose the dealerships. So, in poor Ausie-guys' case, he must either be forced into buying this product through this nimrod, (not) OR, drive another however-far to look and buy one elsewhere. Sucks, and I feel for you Ausie. Wish I could sell ya one. Maybe someday. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Kanga

Yeah I know Pin
looks like I am gonna have to drive down to Austin
But will be callin them first
I hope it dont happen again otherwise I wont need a bow for a few years

moonge

that just blows dude, sorry about your luck!

Len in Maryland

As a professional Pro Shop owner, I am embarrassed and offer my apologies. This type of business trickery is without an excuse.

This is something I posted recently on another forum which seems appropriate at this time:
There is no absolute definition of PRO SHOP. If you have enough money to hang a shingle and buy &quot;X&quot; dollars worth of bows from any one manufacturer, they dub you a PRO SHOP. You 'may' get set up properly or you 'may' not. The disgrace I've seen in this industry is absurd use of the term &quot;PRO SHOP&quot;. There are no standards that an archery store has to meet. There are no schools they have to attend or tests they have to take.

The Pro Shops that are good are usually crowded during the rush season beyond belief. I can't tell you how many sales or service jobs we lost last year because some customers just couldn't/wouldn't wait in line. If your Archery Store is crowded and people tell you it's worth the wait, count your blessings. While many of you know a lot and probably can do a good job on your bow, don't even begin to think you know it all - I don't.

.......I know AMO would like to set PRO SHOP standards, but how? I wish most of the manufacturers would/could do a better job of selecting the stores that sell their products.&quot;

I, like PW12 and other Pro Shop owners, wish I could help.

Randy Martin

OK guys, you ain't gonna believe this one!
Hey Ausie guy, did we go to the same shop, or what?? I believe I spoke to that very same nimrod!!! With the same exact conversation!
I went to a Bowtech dealer to see about any 2002 model that might have been in stock. It was a 1 & 1/2 hour drive (but I was going to be in the area anyways that day) only to be told to &quot;buy a Mathews and be done with it!&quot; I was also told that Bowtech was a company on it's way out in &quot;2 or 3 years, and that they had THE worst 2 cam bow on the market today&quot;. He also said that &quot;the man designing cams for Bowtech worked for Oregon, and you KNOW what happened to them!&quot;
When I reiterated with facts about Bowtechs company and technology, It seemed like I knew more about them than he did! How can a &quot;Pro-Shop&quot; sell something that they know nothing about? I pointed to the 2001 Bowtech's that were hanging on the wall, and I told him that these were the best bows on the market IMO and that he would never sell me a Mathews!
Needless to say, I sent a very informative letter, by email, to John Strashiem himself. I named names and told him all of the details of the conversation, and told him that some dealers in our area, try to steer us away from their bows. They say they sit on the shelf, but I think the dealers are representing them poorly.
Is there more of a markup on the Mathews and they can make more money? I know a dealer right now that would LOVE to carry the Bowtech line, but can't because there is a dealer less than a mile away carrying them. Which is a shop that I too refuse to patronize, so in order to get a Bowtech, I have a drive ahead of me.
Ausie-guy, I wrote the letter, but if you want me to, I will mention this to John when he calls.
The best Pro-shop in my area sells Hoyt. Looks like I might have to switch!!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Randy

Matt / PA

Ausie....definitely contact Jerid Strasheim at BowTech, he's a great guy and has stated that he will consider internet or shipped bows on a &quot;Case by Case&quot; basis based on exactly the reason you stated......it's simply impossible for you to GET ONE in a realistic distance.
And since the only shop to carry them within realistic distance is obviously run by a Buttnut ,I imagine he would be willing to help you out.....he offered on another thread to discuss any such problems with potential customers.
His e-mail address is located on BowTech's website.....I'd take him up on it.
The bows and the company are worth the extra effort......it's just a shame that YOU have to go the extra mile to find that out.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - Matt / PA on 02/24/2002 21:22:29

Kanga

Len
I sure would like to see some standards brought in for Pro Shops but how do you go about setting it up I think more scrutterny should be done by manufractors when accepting them as outlets.
Are you sure you dont want to go into partnership with me LOL

Randy
No need for you to mention it but if you want to go ahead I have already written a letter outlining what happened

Matt

I have BT's phone number here so I will be calling them in the morning hopefully I will be able to speak to Jerid if not I will leave my number and he can call me back when he has the time.

Nubbb

THERE IS NO EXCUSE WHATSOEVER FOR THE BEHAVIOR OF THE DEALER THAT YOU WENT TO AUSSIE!

I know lots of dealers have had poor luck selling Bowtechs for a couple of reasons and the jerks like you ran into today make it even tougher.

Lot's of dealers both fail to attend the AMO show and thus don't get themselves truely educated on the product. Combine this with the fact that most of the Archery Magazines that the average Archery customer reads tout every bow that is advertised in their pages as being pretty darn swell. Look at the article in the new Peterson's Bowhunting on 12 forgiving bows. Is there anything in the article that would make you pay an extra $200 for a given bow? They all sound terrific.

Archer's Retreat, Bowhunting.com and the Bowsite tend to get the Seriously Addicted or Pro, the Serious Enthusiast, and the Soon to Be Serious Enthusiast visiting them. Though there is tremendous buzz among the true would be Bowtech customers, there is no such buzz among the average Joe that picks up Bowhunting or Bowhunter at the corner newstand. But there is Mathew's buzz at this point in time.

So a lot of decent and not so decent &quot;Bowtech Dealers&quot; do have some of last years Bowtechs on the shelf. This leads some of them to badmouth the product.

Now as some of you know I was very unhappy with one of their warranty provisions, but I have never thought that the bows were other than first cabin.

Bowtech would be better having availability for all through those such as Len and Pinwheel as well as through their true quality dealers. Having meatheads represent your products is of less value than not to be sure.