P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
11-19-2003, 09:20 PM
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Fork Horn
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P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
You guys see this?
PY Changes letoff rule on record book entries
In an effort to " resolve" a very hotly debated and divisive issue, the Pope and Young Club' s Board of Directors has been developing a possible compromise solution to the ongoing debate over the Club' s well-known 65% let-off limit on compound bows.
A solution was finally adopted by the Board and forwarded to the Club' s Regular Members and Senior Members (voting members) for a vote on a change to the Club' s By-laws. That vote concluded on Friday, November 14th, and the ballots have been tallied. By a vote of 294-148, the membership passed the motion.
THE CHANGE
The proposal called for a change to the Records Program, whereby the Club would begin accepting entries harvested by compound bows that have let-off greater than 65% (provided they are legal, in the state/province where used, AND meet the Club' s remaining definition of a hunting bow). Any record book entry with a compound bow exceeding 65% in let-off will be listed with an asterisk (*) in the Records and in the record books.
The proposal also called for the production of a periodic, specialty book that would contain only animals harvested with " traditional" bows (recurve bows, longbows and self bows), in addition to them being listed in the all-time record books.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Effective January 1, 2004, the Club will begin accepting entries taken with compound bows that have let-off greater than 65%.
This change is retroactive, meaning that animals harvested in the past can now be submitted for possible acceptance into the Records.
The 65% value remains an important numerical " line," as any entry taken with a compound bow having percent let-off greater than that will be listed with an asterisk. The Club' s definition of let-off remains the same and is an important consideration when accurately completing the entry materials. The Club' s definition matches the A.M.O. standard method of measuring let-off. It differs from the now-popular advertising definition of let-off, referred to as " effective" let-off. This is a point all bowhunters need to be aware of---when completing the " Hunt Information Form" on the Fair Chase Affidavit, you need to list the A.M.O. standard let-off for animals taken with a compound bow.
A " traditional-only" record book is intended to be published in 2007, with subsequent editions published on a six-year cycle. Those entries will remain in the all-time record books, as has always been the case. The next all-time record book (which has been, and will continue to be, published on a six-year cycle) is due out in the spring of 2005. The deadline for that book, the 6th Edition of " Bowhunting Big Game Records of North America," is 12/31/04.
PY Changes letoff rule on record book entries
In an effort to " resolve" a very hotly debated and divisive issue, the Pope and Young Club' s Board of Directors has been developing a possible compromise solution to the ongoing debate over the Club' s well-known 65% let-off limit on compound bows.
A solution was finally adopted by the Board and forwarded to the Club' s Regular Members and Senior Members (voting members) for a vote on a change to the Club' s By-laws. That vote concluded on Friday, November 14th, and the ballots have been tallied. By a vote of 294-148, the membership passed the motion.
THE CHANGE
The proposal called for a change to the Records Program, whereby the Club would begin accepting entries harvested by compound bows that have let-off greater than 65% (provided they are legal, in the state/province where used, AND meet the Club' s remaining definition of a hunting bow). Any record book entry with a compound bow exceeding 65% in let-off will be listed with an asterisk (*) in the Records and in the record books.
The proposal also called for the production of a periodic, specialty book that would contain only animals harvested with " traditional" bows (recurve bows, longbows and self bows), in addition to them being listed in the all-time record books.
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
Effective January 1, 2004, the Club will begin accepting entries taken with compound bows that have let-off greater than 65%.
This change is retroactive, meaning that animals harvested in the past can now be submitted for possible acceptance into the Records.
The 65% value remains an important numerical " line," as any entry taken with a compound bow having percent let-off greater than that will be listed with an asterisk. The Club' s definition of let-off remains the same and is an important consideration when accurately completing the entry materials. The Club' s definition matches the A.M.O. standard method of measuring let-off. It differs from the now-popular advertising definition of let-off, referred to as " effective" let-off. This is a point all bowhunters need to be aware of---when completing the " Hunt Information Form" on the Fair Chase Affidavit, you need to list the A.M.O. standard let-off for animals taken with a compound bow.
A " traditional-only" record book is intended to be published in 2007, with subsequent editions published on a six-year cycle. Those entries will remain in the all-time record books, as has always been the case. The next all-time record book (which has been, and will continue to be, published on a six-year cycle) is due out in the spring of 2005. The deadline for that book, the 6th Edition of " Bowhunting Big Game Records of North America," is 12/31/04.
11-20-2003, 10:59 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
ORIGINAL: Buckfevr
I wonder now if manufacturers will be less inclined to still offer the 65% option.
I wonder now if manufacturers will be less inclined to still offer the 65% option.
For the vast majority of bowhunters who don' t care about record books(like myself), probably will never arrow a record book class buck (I hope not me
)and bowhunt for sport/meat (like myself) this change will be trivial I suspect.AFAIC the book should be about honoring an incredible representative of the species in question..not the shooter and/or his equipment.
11-20-2003, 11:48 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
ORIGINAL: Buckfevr
I wonder now if manufacturers will be less inclined to still offer the 65% option.
I wonder now if manufacturers will be less inclined to still offer the 65% option.
11-20-2003, 01:01 PM
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Fork Horn
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
Does this mean they will accept deer killed before Jan.04' Like the Beaty buck which was taken with a bow with more then 65% letoff?Or does this mean they will start with deer taken after Jan.01,2004?
11-20-2003, 01:32 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
Ken, the ruling is retroactive. Any qualifying deer killed prior to 1-1-04 that would be admitted after 1-1-04 is now eligible for entry, with an asterick placed by the name of the hunter.
11-20-2003, 02:26 PM
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
Ken, the ruling is retroactive. Any qualifying deer killed prior to 1-1-04 that would be admitted after 1-1-04 is now eligible for entry, with an asterick placed by the name of the hunter.
11-20-2003, 04:01 PM
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RE: P&Y Change in Letoff Rule
If he doesn' t, CBM, I hope somebody tracks him down and delivers a hearty, open palm, slobberknocker headslap to him. He' s the one fanned the flames of this let-off BS in the first place. Him and is 75% letoff Mathews... I just wonder how big a deal would have been made of it if he' d been using some different brand of bow.
Hey, when are we all gonna get together and decide P&Y oughta allow pen raised deer into the book, then raise enough hell that they' ll give up on even more principles? I mean, you stuff an animal full of steroids and high protien feed and turn out some OUTSTANDING trophies. Then all ya gotta do is pick which one to shoot off the feedlot! After all, it' s all about the animal and not at all about the hunter or his equipment.
(That' s sarcasm, in case you didn' t realize it.)
Hey, when are we all gonna get together and decide P&Y oughta allow pen raised deer into the book, then raise enough hell that they' ll give up on even more principles? I mean, you stuff an animal full of steroids and high protien feed and turn out some OUTSTANDING trophies. Then all ya gotta do is pick which one to shoot off the feedlot! After all, it' s all about the animal and not at all about the hunter or his equipment.
(That' s sarcasm, in case you didn' t realize it.)