I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
02-04-2002, 02:08 PM
#12
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
I posted this in the "Technical" thread too, but if you want to see a video of the Patriot, plus other makers bows/products, check out this link. Got my Patriot ordered Saturday. Now if I can just get it in before the season opens...
Here is the link:
http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/featu...icles/AMO2002/
Here is the link:
http://www.bowsite.com/BOWSITE/featu...icles/AMO2002/
02-04-2002, 02:20 PM
#13
Spike
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
Matt thanks for the info. I like to hear you's guys opinions on the new stuff. I have seriously wanted to get the Patriot and I think I will. Although if I do, it will put 5shot over the edge. Thats ok Bro, I'll let you barrow it. Yea right. Thanks again Matt.
02-04-2002, 02:47 PM
#14
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
Frank,
You know, I felt the same exact way for many a year. For years I have shot around a 29- 29 1/4" AMO draw length and shot it pretty accurately. When my "hero", Burley Hall started using a loop I had to try one. I got rid of it after a week...I just didn't want to give up the speed. Even up to about a year and a half ago, I was pretty adamant against loops. After finally giving them a fair shake over the past year and shortening my draw length accordingly, I don't think I would ever go back to a straight string release. They really do "pull it all together" when set-up correctly and given some time to get used to. I know I'm giving up 10-12 or more FPS on every bow, and on some bows I really could use the extra speed..however I've found that I'm able to pull a bit more weight,the loop & tru-peep is lighter than a brass nock or two,eliminator, and heavier sherz-a-peep.. and I can shoot lighter arrows to get the speed (but not KE) back w/out sacrificing any accuracy...my consistency from day to day is better, and when I'm "on", my groups are tighter than when I was "on" shooting a straight string release. Plus not having to worry about the peep, or putting a bow in the press to put on new eliminators, etc. Heck, I shot eliminators, a Sherz a peep, and brass or tied in nocks for 10 years plus...
Although I'll buy any bow I can get my hands on, accessory wise I'm pretty "un-experimental". My #1 sight is a 3 year old Montana Black Gold Grand Slam..it's been on about 8 or 10 bows, and I've had to replace the lockdown screws casue I've adjusted it so much. My Hi-Tek FATS 10" 13 oz. stabilizer is 5 or 6 years old..been on I don't know how many bows, and is starting to look like a polished silver 3D stabilizer cause of all the scratches. My NAP 1000 or Hoyt NAP 1000 rests have been on the majority of my bows since 1997 or 1998. Believe you me when I say it takes alot to get me try a new accessory (I still have no desire to try a fall-away rest for example, or a moveable pin sight). Geez..for the first 8-10 months they were out, I wouldn't even try Limb Savers, then the next year Leeches, both of which I couldn't do without now. I remember ripping them off my AccuTec after I decided I "didn't need em..I don't care how good they work..they are ugly, they wont last...", etc. etc.
Anyways, obviously you need to shoot what is comfy for you..just thought I would give you some food for thought..
BTW, My Patriot is on order as well.
JeffB
You know, I felt the same exact way for many a year. For years I have shot around a 29- 29 1/4" AMO draw length and shot it pretty accurately. When my "hero", Burley Hall started using a loop I had to try one. I got rid of it after a week...I just didn't want to give up the speed. Even up to about a year and a half ago, I was pretty adamant against loops. After finally giving them a fair shake over the past year and shortening my draw length accordingly, I don't think I would ever go back to a straight string release. They really do "pull it all together" when set-up correctly and given some time to get used to. I know I'm giving up 10-12 or more FPS on every bow, and on some bows I really could use the extra speed..however I've found that I'm able to pull a bit more weight,the loop & tru-peep is lighter than a brass nock or two,eliminator, and heavier sherz-a-peep.. and I can shoot lighter arrows to get the speed (but not KE) back w/out sacrificing any accuracy...my consistency from day to day is better, and when I'm "on", my groups are tighter than when I was "on" shooting a straight string release. Plus not having to worry about the peep, or putting a bow in the press to put on new eliminators, etc. Heck, I shot eliminators, a Sherz a peep, and brass or tied in nocks for 10 years plus...
Although I'll buy any bow I can get my hands on, accessory wise I'm pretty "un-experimental". My #1 sight is a 3 year old Montana Black Gold Grand Slam..it's been on about 8 or 10 bows, and I've had to replace the lockdown screws casue I've adjusted it so much. My Hi-Tek FATS 10" 13 oz. stabilizer is 5 or 6 years old..been on I don't know how many bows, and is starting to look like a polished silver 3D stabilizer cause of all the scratches. My NAP 1000 or Hoyt NAP 1000 rests have been on the majority of my bows since 1997 or 1998. Believe you me when I say it takes alot to get me try a new accessory (I still have no desire to try a fall-away rest for example, or a moveable pin sight). Geez..for the first 8-10 months they were out, I wouldn't even try Limb Savers, then the next year Leeches, both of which I couldn't do without now. I remember ripping them off my AccuTec after I decided I "didn't need em..I don't care how good they work..they are ugly, they wont last...", etc. etc.
Anyways, obviously you need to shoot what is comfy for you..just thought I would give you some food for thought..
BTW, My Patriot is on order as well.
JeffB
02-04-2002, 05:06 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
Bull 1870,
If you are talking about the former Archer's Attic in Carmel, then you are correct...there was something to it.
BTW, after seeing the Bowsite coverage video I just might call my dealer and ask for a G-3.2...i've always wanted one of those oddball looking things
JeffB
If you are talking about the former Archer's Attic in Carmel, then you are correct...there was something to it.
BTW, after seeing the Bowsite coverage video I just might call my dealer and ask for a G-3.2...i've always wanted one of those oddball looking things
JeffB
02-04-2002, 05:20 PM
#17
Giant Nontypical
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
OK.......for those of you who haven't seen it yet , here's your chance to put "The face with the Name" so to speak.
Hey Jeff!...,
You know that yuo don't need to give up the draw length with a string loop?
I shoot the same exact 30" model bows I've always shot with a regular caliper release........but now I use a string loop.
How?......simple, a Scott "Rhino" release.
The Rhino allows you to assume the same anchor as you would with a long barreled release like a Mongoose......I tie a short 1/2" loop, and the trigger sits just behind the end of the loop.
The head is super short which "imitates" the length of a regular sized caliper release, and the fact that there are no jaws to put thru the loop you can tie it pretty short.......it's just an angled peg.
This set up allows me to shoot my normal draw length + a loop = no loss of performance......if anything I GAIN some because of the ability to use such a short loop.
On top of that, I think the "Rhino"'s design is superior for loop shooting because there is no jaw "Kick"......the entire peg assembly "Free floats" on a pivot point allowing the string to fire dead straight away.
My anchor with the Rhino and a loop is identical to how I would shoot off the string with a Scott Mongoose caliper release with the same 30" bow......
Try it and go back to your normal draw length!!!
BowTech_Shooter....thanks for chiming in with the $$ of the TomKat......now that I really think about it, I think that particular dealer had it on the rack for maybe $390ish.00
You guys are gonna dig that Patriot.
Edited by - Matt / PA on 02/04/2002 18:23:09
Hey Jeff!...,
You know that yuo don't need to give up the draw length with a string loop?
I shoot the same exact 30" model bows I've always shot with a regular caliper release........but now I use a string loop.
How?......simple, a Scott "Rhino" release.
The Rhino allows you to assume the same anchor as you would with a long barreled release like a Mongoose......I tie a short 1/2" loop, and the trigger sits just behind the end of the loop.
The head is super short which "imitates" the length of a regular sized caliper release, and the fact that there are no jaws to put thru the loop you can tie it pretty short.......it's just an angled peg.
This set up allows me to shoot my normal draw length + a loop = no loss of performance......if anything I GAIN some because of the ability to use such a short loop.
On top of that, I think the "Rhino"'s design is superior for loop shooting because there is no jaw "Kick"......the entire peg assembly "Free floats" on a pivot point allowing the string to fire dead straight away.
My anchor with the Rhino and a loop is identical to how I would shoot off the string with a Scott Mongoose caliper release with the same 30" bow......
Try it and go back to your normal draw length!!!
BowTech_Shooter....thanks for chiming in with the $$ of the TomKat......now that I really think about it, I think that particular dealer had it on the rack for maybe $390ish.00
You guys are gonna dig that Patriot.
Edited by - Matt / PA on 02/04/2002 18:23:09
02-04-2002, 07:35 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
MAtt,
Been there, done that as they say.
I shot a Rhino up until November or so. I tried everything I could to keep my draw length the same, and I just could not get it right. I tried various loop lengths, positions on the release, draw length settings on my adjustable cams you name it, I tried it. I think my low anchor point and the extreme string angles of most short bows just throws me out of alignment, both vertically and horizontally unless I shorten my draw up a tad.
JeffB
Been there, done that as they say.
I shot a Rhino up until November or so. I tried everything I could to keep my draw length the same, and I just could not get it right. I tried various loop lengths, positions on the release, draw length settings on my adjustable cams you name it, I tried it. I think my low anchor point and the extreme string angles of most short bows just throws me out of alignment, both vertically and horizontally unless I shorten my draw up a tad.
JeffB
02-04-2002, 09:17 PM
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RE: I shot the BowTech "Patriot" :-)
Jeff,
Well......I gave it a shot!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I'm surprised.....it's worked out pretty well for me.
MAybe because my true draw length is a tad OVER 30" to start with, could be why that particular set up works so well for me.
By the way......my buddy just laid down the cash for a new Patriot this evening. (He actually called our local dealer on his cell phone from the sports show 5 minutes after shooting the bow!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)......tonight he just made it official.
Now all I have to do is wait a month after he gets it .....convince him somehow that he really HATES it......."Take it off his hands" for about $200 cheaper.......buy a $10 30" module and I'm IN!!![<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
Hey......It's worth a shot.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Well......I gave it a shot!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
I'm surprised.....it's worked out pretty well for me.
MAybe because my true draw length is a tad OVER 30" to start with, could be why that particular set up works so well for me.
By the way......my buddy just laid down the cash for a new Patriot this evening. (He actually called our local dealer on his cell phone from the sports show 5 minutes after shooting the bow!!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)......tonight he just made it official.
Now all I have to do is wait a month after he gets it .....convince him somehow that he really HATES it......."Take it off his hands" for about $200 cheaper.......buy a $10 30" module and I'm IN!!![<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>
Hey......It's worth a shot.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>