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Old 05-31-2003, 06:49 PM
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Just put on a Shakey Trophy Taker and the fletching is hitting the rest. Adjusted the string according to the instruction manual and still hitting rest. Any suggestions?
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Old 05-31-2003, 07:06 PM
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Hmmmmmm...nope, never heard of such a problem

What bow you shooting there Larks?

if it is a Solo cam (it is I know it is)

You may want to try having the rest come up sooner and droping later. The arrow may need more support because of unlevel nock travel that pushes nock end down upon release.

Also make sure launcher is sitting low on the riser when at rest.

Good Luck

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Old 05-31-2003, 07:15 PM
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Darton Maverick. Tried both setups, rest coming up fast and fully up within the last 2 inches and same results. Being the CPS cams, it should have equal travel time?
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Old 05-31-2003, 07:47 PM
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At what height is your nock? Is it possible it is too low.

Did you do a powder/lipstick test to see where they are hitting. Sometimes it is the tab that the loop is attached to. if that is the case you can try to angle the back of the rest down to clear. If you need to the fork can be bent up to get you back on the burger hole.

If it is up on the forks make sure they are out of the way when at rest or you will never clear.

Also sometimes all it takes is a little nock indexing to find the sweat spot just like on a two prong.
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Old 05-31-2003, 08:38 PM
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You got me there!! I do know that when the rest is up, I am straight across (level) the top end of the burger buttons. As far as the nock point, I' m not sure how to measure the location of the nock.
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Old 06-01-2003, 04:19 AM
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[] Ohhhh, nooooo, what did I do???
After buying a shakey hunter off e-bay yesterday I did a more extensive search on this website to bask in the glow of my new toy. What did I run into??
Rack-attacks thread on how fed up he was with trying to get his shakey hunter to work properly, on a bowtec infinity cammed bow nonthe less. GGGGEEErate!!
I can totally agree with your post on needing to vent.

Did I set myself up for another bad week of archery tuning???
Trying to get an extra half inch out of my 29" draw had me pulling my hair out (which I could never do) and now I' ' m gonna try to reinvent the wheel with a shaky hunter??? Woe is me.

Rack- will I have to grind down the prongs on the rest to accomidate a bowtec riser? If so, I might just put it back up for sell. I want to try it, but not ruin it' s resale value with my rigging.

Any tips before I begin?
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Old 06-01-2003, 09:12 AM
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Dave,

I am unfamiliar with the mighty might. The riser and geometry are a bit diff. so I don' t know if you will achieve center shot with the shakey. Noe do I know if there will be a problem with nock travel.

If you read my (steam letting post) I believe I posted some pretty good instructions from TT and Bowtech for setup.

I will look back and repost them here

Good Luck
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Old 06-01-2003, 09:22 AM
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here is some good info.


Larks,
Go to Easton site and download there tunning guide. A great deal of info that will cover how to set up any bow http://eastonarchery.com/tech_room/

Thanks for your inquiry and I apologize for my delay in responding to you. Sounds like you have a tough question here. I am going to cut and paste some of my usual comments into this e-mail since there is some useful information in that, but I will go beyond that, so bear with the next few paragraphs!

Actually, tuning with the Trophy Taker is a
relatively simple equation once the rest is set up correctly. Assuming that
the rest is set up in accordance with our guidelines that are found in the
packaged instructions and on our websites installation page (with photos of
installation procedure), there are really only a couple of variable to look
at. First, the rest should be fully up just long enough to stabilize your
arrow in flight...no more, and no less. Finding that balance is a matter of
several variables.

First of all, how you release is important. Clipping your release to the
string rather than to a D-Loop will cause downward pressure on your rest and
thus usually requires the rest to be up longer to offset this.

Also, some single cams tend to " throw" the nock downward at the shot, again
putting pressure on the rest resulting in the need for it to be " up" longer
too.

Third, extremely speedy bows need more help stabilizing the arrow, so they sometimes need a little more help on the launch.

These are the top three timing issues. Aside from extending the length of
time that the rest is " up," you can also raise your nocking point on the
string some, though I do not recommend running more than 1/4 inch nock high.

The second major variable in tuning with a fall-away is arrow spine. This
is one of the most overlooked aspects in archery today, and yet it is one of
the most critical. Spine charts are often inadequate when it comes to
taking into consideration all the variables that go into the dynamic spine
of an arrow. Even more confusing is the fact that you can take two
identical setups; same bow, cam, poundage, draw length, rest, release, etc.-
and need two different arrow spines in order to achieve the very best tune.
Particularly arrows that are too weak for a setup, will sometimes leave a
little bit of contact on the fall away launcher.

Now for some solutions. First of all, play with the timing of your rest.
If you are using our solid cord and attaching to the buss cable of the bow,
then I recommend that your rest should be fully up for the last 1 to 2 and
1/2 inches of your draw (no less and not much more if any). If you are
using the bungee, then you can make the rest stand up longer if you desire.
If you are attaching to the cable slide, then you can make the rest stand up
longer too. However, it is important to note that if you cannot tune your
arrow by using a combination of a slightly raised nocking point and making
the rest stand up for the last 2 and 1/2 inches of your draw, there is
probably another variable at work in your bow that needs attention.

As for the spine issue, the cheapest and easiest solution is to play with
your poundage and point weights if you don' t have other arrows to try.
Backing your poundage off will increase the stiffness of your spine, as will
lowering the point weight. Reversing these obviously has the opposite
affect. Usually, you need to get a little radical here...people usually
don' t try to go far enough to tell a difference because they are convinced
that their arrows are spined right in the beginning. It is also important
to note here that any time you change a variable on your bow, it can affect
spine. For example, if you had a fixed launcher on your bow and it was
tuning well with your arrows, then you put a different rest on your bow and
it is not tuning well, then you should consider arrow spine.

Since you already noted that your rest was set up according to instructions, perhaps the most viable information for you in the preceding paragraphs relates to release method, timing and arrow spine. I have spent a lot of time talking with a very knowledgeable man over at BowTech named Jamie. While I myself prefer to tie the Trophy Taker into the buss cable of my bows, I have not set up any on the Patriot single cam, and Jamie has set up dozens. He asserts that he gets his best results from tying the rest to his cable slide and making it stand up longer. In order to do so, he runs the cord in from the archer' s side of the tab, and then back over the tab to the cable slide so that it is pulling on the tab from the far side...this results in a better pulling angle on our launcher.

If this method is still unclear, I would be very happy to talk with you about it if there is a good time I can call you or I am happy to continue to e-mail you. Like I said in the form part of my e-mail, the rest part of the equation is relatively simple...from there, issues like nock travel and other factors have to be looked into and allowed for
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Old 06-01-2003, 04:20 PM
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Larks I have a trophy taker shakey hunter on my marvric express recurve . It comes up at about 1 1/2 to 2 inches before full draw . I get zero fletching contact . If you are useing a arrow that is of a weak spine you may have problems so check that . I' m shooting carbon express terminator hunters in the 6075 size 28 " long with 100 grain tips . The bow is set at 28 inches draw and 64 lbs weight . I shoot of the string with no loop . You should allso know that the TT rest has 2 spring tension settings I belive mine is set on the stiffer setting but could be mistaken , just something else you might try if you continue to have problems . If you have any other questions you can e-mail me or ask on the board and I' ll look at my bow and try to answer . Good luck you have a great bow and rest , make sure your arrows are correct as I belive that the mavrics like a stiffly spined arrow .
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Old 06-09-2003, 04:52 PM
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Well I did it. I installed and tuned the TT SH on my mighty mite and it wasn' t bad at all.
I was able to cover the burger button hole with my arrow for the center shot and actually had to lower my nock point 1/16" for true bullet holes.
My groups dereased in size by .25" consistently at 26 yards (as fas as I can shoot until I get the rest of my fence up), but in the process I figured out I had two flyers that wouldn' t group with the rest not matter how perfect I shot them. If I took them out of the equation I' m not sure if my accuracy went up over my WB QS Deluxe I was considering replacing.

I will say this, adding this drop away sure makes my bow a lot " busier" . Mole skin here, mole skin there, mole skin everywhere that wasn' t needed with the WB. Not to mention this string tied to my cable (I will have to serve in later depending upon my final decision), the rubber foam trying to quiet the launcher arms on the shelf, and the home grown arrow holder on the riser shelf- two carbon arrow pieces moleskinned into place (what' s gonna happen when I get rained on? Is all this mole skin gonna fall off???)

The main benefit I can see so far is the 2 fps I gained from leaving the WB and the minimized exageration of any torque I place on the bow during the shot.
I do also feel my broadhead groups would be smaller because of this.

For some reason I see myself putting the WB back on before I make my final decision. I' m gonna put my buzz buster on first though.


Hey Rack- My lower Hush kit string thing fell off, I noticed no audiable difference. I remembered what you said about the patriots upper string silencer having no noise reduction properties. So I cut the top one off, big mistake for my bow. TWANG goes the shot. Must be the different risers or the fact that I took the full 2.5 turns off the limbs until my shoulder get' s back to 100% (this left me at 64#).
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