Beman arrow questions
05-02-2003, 05:57 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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Beman arrow questions
Does anyone know if the new trebark ICS bemans are camo' d ICSH hunters or do they start life as a lesser arrow and then get a painjob. Are they camoed hawks?
The reason I ask is they seem to be priced the same as the normal ICSH black hunters. It' s almost like getting something for nothing extra. They are spined just the same as the camo hunters.
Does the camo " PHOTOfusion" change the spine? If an ICS hunter 340 was good at 9.3 grains per inch, could one use a 400 camo hunter if it weighs 9.5 grains per inch?
Is the spine in the weight of the arrow?
And while were at it, I' ve heard the Cabelas carbons are really Beman ICS arrows. If this is true, are the 65/80' s I have (in both black and camo) actually beman 340' s??
Please feel free to answer any of the above questions you may know the answers to, I' m not expecting an answer to all of them..
The reason I ask is they seem to be priced the same as the normal ICSH black hunters. It' s almost like getting something for nothing extra. They are spined just the same as the camo hunters.
Does the camo " PHOTOfusion" change the spine? If an ICS hunter 340 was good at 9.3 grains per inch, could one use a 400 camo hunter if it weighs 9.5 grains per inch?
Is the spine in the weight of the arrow?
And while were at it, I' ve heard the Cabelas carbons are really Beman ICS arrows. If this is true, are the 65/80' s I have (in both black and camo) actually beman 340' s??
Please feel free to answer any of the above questions you may know the answers to, I' m not expecting an answer to all of them..
05-02-2003, 11:16 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Beman arrow questions
Dave,
My guess is you are correct. I too had noticed the interesting price for the ICS Trebark. You will notice nowhere does it state ICS “HUNTER” Trebark, and they are priced much less than the ICSH Camo Plus.
These are quite probably Hawks or Ventures, or seconds/thirds ICSH w/ a photofusion paint job to help sell them (the majority of people love camo arrows for some reason)
As I understand it, the photo fusion is so thin it’s more like a sealer coat. I cannot see it affecting spine very much, and I’m sure Easton/Beman is accounting for it in the “grind down” of the thickness of top layer of carbon.
And NO, the spine is not in the weight of the arrow necessarily. A cursory look at the Easton relative spine charts (in their downloadable catalog) will show you that it is not true: e.g. A 3-49 A/C/C and 2314 both spine the same (.390).
Yes some of the Cabelas shafts are made by Beman & identical in construction to the Beman ICSH, but are “seconds/thirds” grading.
Good timing as well, I just received some interesting correspondence from a Easton Tech person about how Beman and Easton grades their all-carbon shafting, and it has almost to a tee confirmed my own personal testing.
In addition I spent about an hour last night “fine tuning/prepping/cutting” 10 brand new ICSH carbon shafts, and came out with a set of shafts that rival any dozen of high dollar carbon shafts for straightness that I’ve owned and are better than a large percentage of them. In addition they all weigh within 3 grains of each other (which matches perfectly with Beman’s +/- 1.5 grain advertised tolerance)
P.S. They are also about 20 to 30 bucks cheaper than the high-end carbons from other manufacturers.
My guess is you are correct. I too had noticed the interesting price for the ICS Trebark. You will notice nowhere does it state ICS “HUNTER” Trebark, and they are priced much less than the ICSH Camo Plus.
These are quite probably Hawks or Ventures, or seconds/thirds ICSH w/ a photofusion paint job to help sell them (the majority of people love camo arrows for some reason)
As I understand it, the photo fusion is so thin it’s more like a sealer coat. I cannot see it affecting spine very much, and I’m sure Easton/Beman is accounting for it in the “grind down” of the thickness of top layer of carbon.
And NO, the spine is not in the weight of the arrow necessarily. A cursory look at the Easton relative spine charts (in their downloadable catalog) will show you that it is not true: e.g. A 3-49 A/C/C and 2314 both spine the same (.390).
Yes some of the Cabelas shafts are made by Beman & identical in construction to the Beman ICSH, but are “seconds/thirds” grading.
Good timing as well, I just received some interesting correspondence from a Easton Tech person about how Beman and Easton grades their all-carbon shafting, and it has almost to a tee confirmed my own personal testing.
In addition I spent about an hour last night “fine tuning/prepping/cutting” 10 brand new ICSH carbon shafts, and came out with a set of shafts that rival any dozen of high dollar carbon shafts for straightness that I’ve owned and are better than a large percentage of them. In addition they all weigh within 3 grains of each other (which matches perfectly with Beman’s +/- 1.5 grain advertised tolerance)
P.S. They are also about 20 to 30 bucks cheaper than the high-end carbons from other manufacturers.
05-04-2003, 07:25 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Beman arrow questions
Thanks for the help.
My camo carbons weigh just a little more than the blacks 435 vs 420. Some of that is due to the .75" less length of the blacks.
I like the way the camo' s shoot a little better (noise and vibration of bow), but I like the clean black arrows better.
Does the photofusion process make for an arrow that' s just as smooth and glossy as th blacks? (I had to sand the cabelas carbons w/ 250-400 grit sandpaper to quiet them down).
I' ve seen where you recommend cutting both ends of the shaft and then finishing the arrow. Are any of the net-based finished arrow suppliers doing this? The price of such finished arrows has become so reasonable I' d just assume leave my high speed arrow cut saw out of the equation. Is this cutting both ends important enough for me to not be so lazy?
My camo carbons weigh just a little more than the blacks 435 vs 420. Some of that is due to the .75" less length of the blacks.
I like the way the camo' s shoot a little better (noise and vibration of bow), but I like the clean black arrows better.
Does the photofusion process make for an arrow that' s just as smooth and glossy as th blacks? (I had to sand the cabelas carbons w/ 250-400 grit sandpaper to quiet them down).
I' ve seen where you recommend cutting both ends of the shaft and then finishing the arrow. Are any of the net-based finished arrow suppliers doing this? The price of such finished arrows has become so reasonable I' d just assume leave my high speed arrow cut saw out of the equation. Is this cutting both ends important enough for me to not be so lazy?
