Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
ORIGINAL: SwampCollie
Ehhhhhh..... I don't know if I'd go that far. In certain situations they are USED as a crutch. But I think that they do have their place.
Ehhhhhh..... I don't know if I'd go that far. In certain situations they are USED as a crutch. But I think that they do have their place.
I have shot a bunch of deer with both. And came to the conclution that as long as you get a pass thru, it won't matter. I see all these posts by youngun on here asking about the best bh.
I have to admit, I have before just bought a bow on a whim and wanted to take it hunting the next day. I sighted it in, and knew it needed some more work, so I put on mechs and went hunting. And killed a deer.
I have seen mechanicals fail on certain shots as most of us who went thru that stage has.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I do this too. I have had people say I was silly. I use montecs some and they don't seem sensitive to tuning or planing. So I will use thunder heads or muzzys to fine tune out to 60 yards. And still montecs hit same POI, but seem to produce nicer groups.
ORIGINAL: ijimmy
muzzy's are one of the harder broadheads to get to fly with field points , thats why I use them to tune with , try some magnus heads they are cheap and good .
muzzy's are one of the harder broadheads to get to fly with field points , thats why I use them to tune with , try some magnus heads they are cheap and good .
Bigcountry: How do the Thunderheads fly? Any less planing than the Muzzy 4 blades? I just picked up some Thunderheads for like 15 bucks.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
I'm sure for some people, mechanicals are a crutch, but they've never been that for me. I've never hunted with a bow that I didn't practice extensivelly with.Likemost of you, I like to practice withmy broadheads to make sure they're flying true; however, one of the problems I had was shooting muzzys into the block target that I use. My carbon express' would penetrate this target so deeply that I lost several muzzys along with my CE insertsin the target. I decided totry the mechanicals,and I've been happy with them thus far.
I'm not knocking fixed blades, I used them successfully for years. However, I truly believe mechanicals like the Rage, and Grim Reapers are the most technologically advanced broadheads ever engineered, and that is why I use them.
I'm not knocking fixed blades, I used them successfully for years. However, I truly believe mechanicals like the Rage, and Grim Reapers are the most technologically advanced broadheads ever engineered, and that is why I use them.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
ORIGINAL: FSUBIGMAC
Bigcountry: How do the Thunderheads fly? Any less planing than the Muzzy 4 blades? I just picked up some Thunderheads for like 15 bucks.
Bigcountry: How do the Thunderheads fly? Any less planing than the Muzzy 4 blades? I just picked up some Thunderheads for like 15 bucks.
When I say tune the arrow, I mean, making sure its consistent spine. Most carbons are not that consistent spined. In other words if you look at them on a ram spine tester or shoot thru paper and rotate the arrow 120degrees ever shot, you might see a different tear. It might have a heavy side. These days I send them back and demand a new arrow. Carbon express, and gold tips are very good at this.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
When I say tune the arrow, I mean, making sure its consistent spine. Most carbons are not that consistent spined. In other words if you look at them on a ram spine tester or shoot thru paper and rotate the arrow 120degrees ever shot, you might see a different tear. It might have a heavy side. These days I send them back and demand a new arrow. Carbon express, and gold tips are very good at this.
When I say tune the arrow, I mean, making sure its consistent spine. Most carbons are not that consistent spined. In other words if you look at them on a ram spine tester or shoot thru paper and rotate the arrow 120degrees ever shot, you might see a different tear. It might have a heavy side. These days I send them back and demand a new arrow. Carbon express, and gold tips are very good at this.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
tuning is over rated. Tuning a broad head to field points is not tuning. Paper tuning is, or bare shaft plane tuning, but whats the point if your only going to move everything around to get blades to fly like field points. I have arrowswith broad heads that do not spin great buttheyre dead on with field points, I have an arrow in my quiver thats missing most of one fletching and it still will impact the same, it does fish tail and stuff but it still hits with the others.
We did nothing to the bow but set it up and its shoot perfect with anything you stick in it. I think most of that is because of the drop away rests, which in my opinion, is the best thing to come around for a bow in a long long time
We did nothing to the bow but set it up and its shoot perfect with anything you stick in it. I think most of that is because of the drop away rests, which in my opinion, is the best thing to come around for a bow in a long long time
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
You CAN use helical fletching with the Hostage Pro.
I shoot a Hostage pro with 4" feathers and a 6 degree helical. I don't have ANY problems and I don't have ANY wear on the brushes. I shoot Vapor 5000 series arrows with SlickTrick mags.
I moved the 2 upper brushes out a notch or two to open up the gap.I DID NOT move the bottom brush. This allows room for the helical and still holds the arrow in place.
Also, I have the same arrows fletched with Blazers and I don't have any problems with them either. Out to 30 yards, the 4" feathers and the Blazers group together with my broadheads.
In my opinion, if your getting wear on your brushes, then something is out of tune,..... bow, rest, knock point, spine issue, shooter,...somehing is out of whack.
I shoot a Hostage pro with 4" feathers and a 6 degree helical. I don't have ANY problems and I don't have ANY wear on the brushes. I shoot Vapor 5000 series arrows with SlickTrick mags.
I moved the 2 upper brushes out a notch or two to open up the gap.I DID NOT move the bottom brush. This allows room for the helical and still holds the arrow in place.
Also, I have the same arrows fletched with Blazers and I don't have any problems with them either. Out to 30 yards, the 4" feathers and the Blazers group together with my broadheads.
In my opinion, if your getting wear on your brushes, then something is out of tune,..... bow, rest, knock point, spine issue, shooter,...somehing is out of whack.
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
ORIGINAL: FSUBIGMAC
Appreciate the smart a**, sarcastic comment. Its people like you who drive people away from this sport and give it a bad name. If my bow wasn't in tune then why are my numbered arrows hitting almost the exact same spot? Why is there one part of my new target that had been beat up by the same groupings? Must be luck I guess. And thank you everyone else for all your help and suggestions, I truley appreciate it.I figured out that the blade had a slight bend and chip in it; so I put a different head on the arrows that were flying bad and they are hitting same spots as the others. Who knew it was that simple. I didn't notice it because the spin test looked fine.
ORIGINAL: nodog
You could be right. I personally like what a head like a muzzy has to say about how "in tune" a bow is. Other heads though are in different to the need for change and it sounds like that's what he wants to hear. His "bows in tune", gotta take his word for it.
ORIGINAL: KodiakArcher
I've got to at least partially disagree on this one. If field points and broadheads aren't impacting to the same point there is something out of tune. If the broadhead group itself is impacting to the same spot as the field points but the group size is out of control, then I'd lean toward the heads as the culprit. Sounds as if there may be a little of both going on here.
ORIGINAL: nodog
Doesn't sound like you need to change anything but the head, maybe some better (equals more expensive) GT's to reduce the flyers.
Doesn't sound like you need to change anything but the head, maybe some better (equals more expensive) GT's to reduce the flyers.
Glad you found your problem and your welcome for the nudge to find it.[8D]
I knew it could be that simple. Why didn't you try that first? And if that was your problem it was a tuning issue. Most people tune their bows by eliminating bad arrows. You said it was the heads, I told you to replace them and I know those arrows aren't that straight.
Guys like me aye! I'll give ya a pass since your knew here, or are you?
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RE: Broadhead not working right ANY SUGGESTIONS?
Yeah my bad nodog, just been frustrating dealing with all this. I re-read your post and I apologize -- I took that the total wrong way. Not being a smart ass here -- but please tell me if it sounds like its the arrows and my bow is in tune. Moved my arrow rest up cause I was hitting 2 - 3 inches low with BH's -- caused FP group to hit about bullseye but BH's still hitting 2 - 3 below FP's.So i moved the rest back down to where it was so that my FP group was dead on. I picked up some switchblades for the heck of it. Shot SB and BOOM -- Bullseye at 20 -- shot FP to compare -- split the arrow with the switchblade. I am thinking it may be the straight fletch not providing enough rear drag causing the arrow to dive with fixed blades.I am getting some arrows fletched as we speak with offset blazers -- hopefully this will help the BH's fly better. I will keep ya posted. Please comment on my ideas about the fletchings bein the problem.
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