How are youth hunters?
05-24-2008, 07:59 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
This thread is precisely why when I see the issue of arrow weight, it's best for me to shut my eyes, plug my ears and sing la-la-la.[&:]
Nowhere did I sayBuckless should use an arrow that weighs less than 5grains per pound for elk hunting (his current arrow). But suggesting to someone already handicapped by a low energy setup that should also shoot arrows that weigh 10-11gpp's is truly nuts. There's no need for that. And even on an animal as big as an elk, trajectory is still important.
Nowhere did I sayBuckless should use an arrow that weighs less than 5grains per pound for elk hunting (his current arrow). But suggesting to someone already handicapped by a low energy setup that should also shoot arrows that weigh 10-11gpp's is truly nuts. There's no need for that. And even on an animal as big as an elk, trajectory is still important.
05-24-2008, 08:21 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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trajectory is still important.
trajectory is still important.
05-24-2008, 11:01 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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Well, fair enough, but you have to tell us why you think its so important? I am not attacking you by any means, but don't understand when I hear the younger hunters talk about trajectory and these light arrows. I have bowhunted almost 22 years and I bet my bear whitetail twohad less performance than your setup. Difference was we shot 500-600 grain arrows back then. I can't say I have ever been handicapped with these setups.
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trajectory is still important.
trajectory is still important.
05-24-2008, 11:33 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
Well, fair enough, but you have to tell us why you think its so important? I am not attacking you by any means, but don't understand when I hear the younger hunters talk about trajectory and these light arrows. I have bowhunted almost 22 years and I bet my bear whitetail twohad less performance than your setup. Difference was we shot 500-600 grain arrows back then. I can't say I have ever been handicapped with these setups.
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trajectory is still important.
trajectory is still important.
Reason for me being so caught upin trajectory, accurate shot placement. It's as simple as that.
05-25-2008, 08:11 AM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
Actually it's not nuts doegirl, the heavier arrow will actually perform better than the lighter one on a low powered set up. This is exactly where you would want to be shooting a heavier arrow, not a lighter one. Yes you will lose trajectory, but it can be compensated for. That is where the SKILL part of archery comes in. If you play enough with low powered set ups using light and heavy arrows you will see the heavy arrow has more energy, momentum and penetration at hunting distances. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
You can argue it all you like and feel however you want to about it. However the people with more experience simply aren't going to buy it because they know better. Light arrows are not new, they have been around for quite a while. The reason they were not popular is because the bows of the time simply didn't have the power to make them useful. People tried them and found out the performance on game was not as good as a heavier arrow, so they switched back. This is also why you have seen a trend in the past 5 years or so for carbon arrows to offer heavier models. Now if you have a normal draw length with the capability to pull 60 or 70 lbs of draw weight the bows produce enough energy and velocity that you could use just about any arrow you want if you make a good shot. That being said I wouldn't suggest it for a youth hunter, or a smaller archer that can't get that much power out of a set up. Even if you are shooting a fancy bowtech.
Paul
You can argue it all you like and feel however you want to about it. However the people with more experience simply aren't going to buy it because they know better. Light arrows are not new, they have been around for quite a while. The reason they were not popular is because the bows of the time simply didn't have the power to make them useful. People tried them and found out the performance on game was not as good as a heavier arrow, so they switched back. This is also why you have seen a trend in the past 5 years or so for carbon arrows to offer heavier models. Now if you have a normal draw length with the capability to pull 60 or 70 lbs of draw weight the bows produce enough energy and velocity that you could use just about any arrow you want if you make a good shot. That being said I wouldn't suggest it for a youth hunter, or a smaller archer that can't get that much power out of a set up. Even if you are shooting a fancy bowtech.
Paul
05-25-2008, 10:15 AM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
Ok I do apologize to you Arthur, however, you touch a spot with me when you mentioned that you learned to hunt and not just shot. When I ask this dumb question I was not putting hunting skills into the equation. I assumed that most people here already have some kind of hunting skills or I would not have joined this site.
05-25-2008, 11:36 AM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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Actually it's not nuts doegirl, the heavier arrow will actually perform better than the lighter one on a low powered set up. This is exactly where you would want to be shooting a heavier arrow, not a lighter one. Yes you will lose trajectory, but it can be compensated for. That is where the SKILL part of archery comes in. If you play enough with low powered set ups using light and heavy arrows you will see the heavy arrow has more energy, momentum and penetration at hunting distances. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
You can argue it all you like and feel however you want to about it. However the people with more experience simply aren't going to buy it because they know better. Light arrows are not new, they have been around for quite a while. The reason they were not popular is because the bows of the time simply didn't have the power to make them useful. People tried them and found out the performance on game was not as good as a heavier arrow, so they switched back. This is also why you have seen a trend in the past 5 years or so for carbon arrows to offer heavier models. Now if you have a normal draw length with the capability to pull 60 or 70 lbs of draw weight the bows produce enough energy and velocity that you could use just about any arrow you want if you make a good shot. That being said I wouldn't suggest it for a youth hunter, or a smaller archer that can't get that much power out of a set up. Even if you are shooting a fancy bowtech.
Paul
Actually it's not nuts doegirl, the heavier arrow will actually perform better than the lighter one on a low powered set up. This is exactly where you would want to be shooting a heavier arrow, not a lighter one. Yes you will lose trajectory, but it can be compensated for. That is where the SKILL part of archery comes in. If you play enough with low powered set ups using light and heavy arrows you will see the heavy arrow has more energy, momentum and penetration at hunting distances. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.
You can argue it all you like and feel however you want to about it. However the people with more experience simply aren't going to buy it because they know better. Light arrows are not new, they have been around for quite a while. The reason they were not popular is because the bows of the time simply didn't have the power to make them useful. People tried them and found out the performance on game was not as good as a heavier arrow, so they switched back. This is also why you have seen a trend in the past 5 years or so for carbon arrows to offer heavier models. Now if you have a normal draw length with the capability to pull 60 or 70 lbs of draw weight the bows produce enough energy and velocity that you could use just about any arrow you want if you make a good shot. That being said I wouldn't suggest it for a youth hunter, or a smaller archer that can't get that much power out of a set up. Even if you are shooting a fancy bowtech.
Paul
05-25-2008, 01:32 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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There is simply no need for ultra heavy arrows, even with my setup or less powerful ones. All this ho-ha over arrow weight ignores more important aspects, IMO, like proper broadhead selection and the ability to tune your bow. In fact, I'll argue till the cows come home that poor choices in broadheads will lose you more game than light arrows ever will. I laugh when people suggest to me I should use a 400-500grain arrow.When the time comes I need to use 3 pins just to get out to 25 yds,that will be the moment I buy a recurve. Then I'll actually have a real reason to use such heavy projectiles.
There is simply no need for ultra heavy arrows, even with my setup or less powerful ones. All this ho-ha over arrow weight ignores more important aspects, IMO, like proper broadhead selection and the ability to tune your bow. In fact, I'll argue till the cows come home that poor choices in broadheads will lose you more game than light arrows ever will. I laugh when people suggest to me I should use a 400-500grain arrow.When the time comes I need to use 3 pins just to get out to 25 yds,that will be the moment I buy a recurve. Then I'll actually have a real reason to use such heavy projectiles.
05-25-2008, 02:41 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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Well, maybe I am underestimating you. I will admit this. Have you taken dozens of large deer/elk/boar with a bow? If yes, then I humbly appoligize for my suggestions as the proof is in the pudding.
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There is simply no need for ultra heavy arrows, even with my setup or less powerful ones. All this ho-ha over arrow weight ignores more important aspects, IMO, like proper broadhead selection and the ability to tune your bow. In fact, I'll argue till the cows come home that poor choices in broadheads will lose you more game than light arrows ever will. I laugh when people suggest to me I should use a 400-500grain arrow.When the time comes I need to use 3 pins just to get out to 25 yds,that will be the moment I buy a recurve. Then I'll actually have a real reason to use such heavy projectiles.
There is simply no need for ultra heavy arrows, even with my setup or less powerful ones. All this ho-ha over arrow weight ignores more important aspects, IMO, like proper broadhead selection and the ability to tune your bow. In fact, I'll argue till the cows come home that poor choices in broadheads will lose you more game than light arrows ever will. I laugh when people suggest to me I should use a 400-500grain arrow.When the time comes I need to use 3 pins just to get out to 25 yds,that will be the moment I buy a recurve. Then I'll actually have a real reason to use such heavy projectiles.
I'll be sure to let all know how my 298 grain lightspeeds do on Russian boars this summer[8D]
05-25-2008, 02:54 PM
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RE: How are youth hunters?
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But again, still does not negate the fact that I don't quite need 10gpp inch arrows to chase to anything bigger than a whitetail.
But again, still does not negate the fact that I don't quite need 10gpp inch arrows to chase to anything bigger than a whitetail.
I'll be sure to let all know how my 298 grain lightspeeds do on Russian boars this summer[8D]