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02-20-2008, 01:53 PM
#31
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Front of Center
ORIGINAL: Ausie-guy
Then I will say get to know your bow and become better at judging distance or better yet buy a range finder
My bow at 61lb with a 28" draw lenght is pushing my extreme 24.8%FOC arrows out at 277fps.
At longer ranges my pins are actually closer together than they are for the shorter distances.
Meaning my arrows are maintaining more speed and momentium down range, I wont even mention the thud they hit the target at.
Don't knock it if you have not tried it
The more speed I can get, the closer my pins are to each other, the easier it becomes to judge distance and make a solid shot.
My bow at 61lb with a 28" draw lenght is pushing my extreme 24.8%FOC arrows out at 277fps.
At longer ranges my pins are actually closer together than they are for the shorter distances.
Meaning my arrows are maintaining more speed and momentium down range, I wont even mention the thud they hit the target at.
Don't knock it if you have not tried it
I'm not nocking anyone's choice of arrow set-up or bow set-up myself. We all have a personal preference and there is nothing wrong with 10-15% FOC for hunting.
02-20-2008, 02:05 PM
#32
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Front of Center
Dave, you realize he was doing the originalresearch for the Nepal gov't, who was trying to determine what archery rigs should be legal for hunting big game, right? Did you know that he is currently doing a follow-up study in Australia? This new study is where he's found out so much about the benefits of extreme FOC. Check out his updates on tradgang.
02-20-2008, 02:07 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Front of Center
You make it sound like I'm an unethical hunter for shooting the set-up I have? You are also making it sound like any hunter that does not shoot an extreme FOC arrow is also unethical.
I have a 437 gr arrow that is traveling at 293 fps.The arrow has more momentum than a 700 gr arrow at 180 fps. Many people on here do not shoot a 700 gr arrow; noteven a 600 gr arrow for that matter. A few don't even shoot a 430 gr arrow that talk about high FOC. They have a slower and lighter arrow thatI will bet money will not out penetrate even with 25% FOC. Bottom line is that my arrowhas enough momentum from arrow weight and speed.
The momentum my arrow has isenough for any animal on this continent. I hate using this term. "But my arrow will blow through most animals" and is more ethical than many of the long bow (or low DL) heavy arrowset-ups I see people use that have arrows sticking out of animals that they shot.
I'm not nocking people that shoot high FOC. It's their choice and people should be comfortable in their equipment.
I have a 437 gr arrow that is traveling at 293 fps.The arrow has more momentum than a 700 gr arrow at 180 fps. Many people on here do not shoot a 700 gr arrow; noteven a 600 gr arrow for that matter. A few don't even shoot a 430 gr arrow that talk about high FOC. They have a slower and lighter arrow thatI will bet money will not out penetrate even with 25% FOC. Bottom line is that my arrowhas enough momentum from arrow weight and speed.
The momentum my arrow has isenough for any animal on this continent. I hate using this term. "But my arrow will blow through most animals" and is more ethical than many of the long bow (or low DL) heavy arrowset-ups I see people use that have arrows sticking out of animals that they shot.
I'm not nocking people that shoot high FOC. It's their choice and people should be comfortable in their equipment.
02-20-2008, 02:10 PM
#34
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Front of Center
No disrespect to Ashby or you but I'm not interested. I'm sure it will be well written and an excellent article in it's wonright.
I'm intelligent enough to know what an arrow can and can't do based on the weight displacement, velocity, arrow spine, etc. If the FOC was a concern I'd do something about it.
I'm intelligent enough to know what an arrow can and can't do based on the weight displacement, velocity, arrow spine, etc. If the FOC was a concern I'd do something about it.
02-20-2008, 02:35 PM
#35
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Front of Center
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Dave, you realize he was doing the originalresearch for the Nepal gov't, who was trying to determine what archery rigs should be legal for hunting big game, right? Did you know that he is currently doing a follow-up study in Australia? This new study is where he's found out so much about the benefits of extreme FOC. Check out his updates on tradgang.
Dave, you realize he was doing the originalresearch for the Nepal gov't, who was trying to determine what archery rigs should be legal for hunting big game, right? Did you know that he is currently doing a follow-up study in Australia? This new study is where he's found out so much about the benefits of extreme FOC. Check out his updates on tradgang.
02-20-2008, 02:55 PM
#36
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Front of Center
I'm not trying to convince anyone to shoot extreme FOC. None of my business. I'm just not too fond of someone saying they read Ashby's report and then start tossing out little 'factoids' that prove they either ---didn't read more than the first paragraph or two --- or read it while brain dead --- or completely misinterpreted practically everything in it.
02-20-2008, 02:57 PM
#37
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Front of Center
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
I'm not trying to convince anyone to shoot extreme FOC. None of my business. I'm just not too fond of someone saying they read Ashby's report and then start tossing out little 'factoids' that prove they either ---didn't read more than the first paragraph or two --- or read it while brain dead --- or completely misinterpreted practically everything in it.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to shoot extreme FOC. None of my business. I'm just not too fond of someone saying they read Ashby's report and then start tossing out little 'factoids' that prove they either ---didn't read more than the first paragraph or two --- or read it while brain dead --- or completely misinterpreted practically everything in it.
02-20-2008, 04:27 PM
#38
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Front of Center
Ok Ive seen that muzzy makes brass inserts, my question is do they make one to fit the CX Maxima Hunter 350 shafts and I was also wondering does anyone know of a brass insert that wasnt quit as heavy. I think muzzy has a 50 grain, thats a little heavier than I wanted to go.
02-20-2008, 04:42 PM
#39
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02-20-2008, 06:58 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Front of Center
ORIGINAL: The Rev
Art, I've found out that you'll go blind before we get our point across. I've quit a long time ago trying. I just grin and bear it.
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Dave, you realize he was doing the originalresearch for the Nepal gov't, who was trying to determine what archery rigs should be legal for hunting big game, right? Did you know that he is currently doing a follow-up study in Australia? This new study is where he's found out so much about the benefits of extreme FOC. Check out his updates on tradgang.
Dave, you realize he was doing the originalresearch for the Nepal gov't, who was trying to determine what archery rigs should be legal for hunting big game, right? Did you know that he is currently doing a follow-up study in Australia? This new study is where he's found out so much about the benefits of extreme FOC. Check out his updates on tradgang.
