huntmup

I'm contemplating purchasing a new release - and am looking at (probably) a T.R.U. Ball Little Boss OR a Carter Solution 3. (I'm currently shooting a Scott Lil'Goose)

I want to continue shooting a string D-loop but am wondering if the lack of a pivoting head on the Carter, which will casue my d-loop to twist, will cause a bit of torque on the nock and cause a decrease in accuracy..??

Any thoghts?



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huntmup

I trust you Jim (10,000 kids a year are born on trust) but isn't it a 90 degree twist at max?

If the string/loop is vertical, then the release is horizontal with the palm down.

Then you draw/twist to bring the palm 'out' from the face - which means it's a 90 degree turn right?

I'm not questioning the lack of accuracy/torque etc but I think it's 90 degrees.

One of the pros I know shoots a talon head truball with it 1/2 cocked sideways so there's no twist at full draw - but most folks I see don't change anything & it appears like the loop get's twisted pretty good.



Aim small miss small

Pinwheel 12

The Truball Talon head was designed just for that--to allow ANY archer, with ANY anchor, the ability to set the head to their preferred anchor yet still allow a perfectly horizontal relationship to the loop to promote the cleanest release possible. Simply put, no other release to date allows this.

Food for thought: Releases have come through an evolution, just as bows have. First they were nothing more that a piece of wood with a hook on them, then they evolved into wrist calipers, then rope releases, and now we have the d-loop attachments, and all of them evolved because the previous design had certain flaws and manufacturers looked to find the better mousetrap with less induced torque on the string, or have no issues with arrow contact or having them fall off the string at full draw. Different releases when used on the same setup will produce different impact points, all due to torque and the way they individually release.

A rope release for instance hooks up under the arrow, yet is still in direct contact with the string and does impart torque on it to a degree. D-loops thus came into existence and are better overall for numerous reasons. Releases that "twist up" a loop are also imparting torque, similar to the original rope release, while those that do not twist up and thus allow the cleanest and straightest release posible do not. The key issue here is repeatability. If you can repeat your individual release form every time consistently in all conditions, (no matter what it is or how it is done) you will thus have consistent results on the target. BUT, any slight variation in form can create induced torque and throw those shots made with the more induced torque much wider than those who have releases that impart lesser torque on the string. A great example of this is a finger shooter vs. a release shooter and why fingers shooters cannot readily shoot the same Tournament scores as release shooters, which is simply due to the inconsistency of the finger release itself and the resulting induced torque. That is why manufacturers have been looking for better ways to "hook-up" throughout the years. The Talon head design eliminates this element and allows clean shots in all instances due to less torque being imparted on the loop/string. Bottom line.

I know lots of archers who use the Carter and other original sear-type releases without a rotating head. I used to use one also and felt it was a great release! I also used a Barner rope for many years, loved it also. Before that it was a Hotshot model C. All were fine releases, each a little better than the previous one. While they all have/had their place and following of people that use/used them, from a technical standpoint the evolution continues and I truly believe there are now better choices than the Carter out here today that will help take care of some the little details to help make you a better archer. (and elimination of torque is the biggest one of those little details! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) I now shoot the Truball design exclusively, and will continue to until someone builds the next step forward in release evolution. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12







Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 01/25/2003 06:29:16

huntmup

Great & convincing post Pinwheel....

I have another question then though - which release do you shoot? One with the thumb trigger?

Any thoughts on the lil boss? I'm short & only have a 27&quot; draw & if the lil boss is the same as the chappy I think it might fit better.

Did TRUBall have any new releases at AMO that I should be holding out for?



Aim small miss small

Pinwheel 12

Huntmup-

I currently shoot the Chappy Boss, but have also tried all of tehir other releases. I simply prefer the Chappy, it fits my individual form and style the best. Everyone is different in this regard, and they make a full range of styles to choose from. The new Trail boss I saw at the show looks and felt nice, similar to the Chappy but with a swept-back design. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

huntmup

Thanks for the heads up!

Aim small miss small