Rack-attack

I also shot the VFT and it is a sweet shooting bow also, No vibration or shock. It is a sweet bow. But i disagree about being the best hunting bow spec wise. Its brace is a bit low at just above 6.5 brace, thats why the dually IMO is a much better hunting choice IF you can deal with the 65% letoff and harsh draw.

But, if you hunt in warm conditions, and your form is under check the VFT would make one heckofa, hunting bow.

Toby from MO

Rack-Attack,

Your right, I agree. But for me, my Ultra Max has a 6 1/8" brace so anything bigger than that is a step in the right direction. Plus the VFT has the speed at 80% and is a solocam like my Ultra Max. It looked dimesionally similar to my Mathews but minus the recoil and the addition of the extra speed is great.

I do need to get out and get my hands on the DC. I have read all the talk about the harsh draw and 65%, don't know if I would want that in the cold weather.

Thanks,

BOWFANATIC

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Aussi I think about their leadership. Yuo could argue the single cam is just a clever rstatement of the alen patent, or the Dynabow (oh right ;0)). But i woukld include the outright new, and the first to do something on any scale, and that would include wood grips...


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Martin Archery might have something to say about that!


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500 fps

Orion,

I thought you were talking about the parallel limbs, but if you were talking about riser geometry, I might have to give you that one.

But when you take a similar riser an use such a SUPERIOR cam and get so much more performance don't you really make it your own then? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

(all in fun)

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Ossage

Did Martin have wooden grips, milled risers, and synthetic harnesses back when the first solocams came out?

Well you got a point 500.

Now if they can just keep the wheels on the DCs.

hoytshooter69

The arguement about who had the first parallel limb design is lost to me. XI archery had the frist parallel limb designed bow before Mathews or Bowtech were even in exsistence. So please stop all this bickering about who did what first. Shoot the bow that fits you the best and let others shoot the bow that fits them the best. If you don't what someone pissing in your cheerios then don't pee in theirs.

500 fps

I don't see it as an argument, just a few friendly barbs.

Hence the &quot;all in fun&quot;, and big smile.

By the way Xi wasn't the first with pralles limbs, Rigid Archery was.
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Pinwheel 12

I just got back from the show, and here's what I saw--

A Bowtech Black Knight Dually at 6.75&quot; brace height and 36&quot;ATA with 65% letoff and 29&quot; drawlength at 70lbs shoot a 350g arrow at a flat 330fps.

A Mathews Black Max at 5.5&quot; brace height and 35&quot; ATA and 60% letoff and 30&quot; drawlength and 70lbs shoot a 350g arrow at a flat 330fps.

Which would you rather own? Which would be more forgiving? No brainer here.....

Most dealers were grumbling about Mathews' lack of new design or upgrades, basically the same old thing yet again, most I spoke to felt they really shot themselves in the foot this year. Both the Bowtech and Hoyt booths were buzzing all weekend, more people were shooting the Bowtechs than any other bow. Hoyt got the &quot;best of show award&quot; for their cam and a half.

The Merlins will also prove to be great this year, they introduced their version of the CPS/cam and a half and altho still in prototype form, once done (about a month or so) will prove to be a winner IMHO. Silky smooth draw with rock solid wall, level nock travel. The Max 3000 is going to be an excellent bow, it will be tough to give up my Max 2000 that I've grown so accustomed to, but evolution continues!

Merlin also released a new twin cam that is faster than the rapid cam yet much smoother. New parallel limb design bow to follow shortly also. (Sweet!!) New releases, along with their great Tri-Axis sights will gain their share of the market in 2003, all of these products are exquisitely built, the quality and finish is astounding on all of Merlins' products, as per usual. Can't wait to see the finished bows and shoot them. Chris has Ben working overtime to get everything done and ready for sale. I think it will be worth the extra waiting time, remember when the Supernova was released?

Best &quot;new&quot; bow line IMHO was the Kodiak Outdoors bows. These are high-quality bows designed for hunting, very quiet, smooth, excellent factory personnel. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Orions_Bow

Toby from MO

The Extreme VFT was very nice to shoot & the speed was awsome. I did feel some hand shock when shooting the ultra light arrow. It wasn't too bad but it was there. I am sure by the time you add a stabilizer, quiver, sights, rest, etc. a lot of it will be gone. If you went with a good mid weight arrow out of this bow I don't think shock would be any kind of problem. Like I said it was a very impressive bow and I have one on the way. Can't wait to take it porker hunting here soon! As far as drawing it felt like a typical single cam speed bow. Those spects of the draw don't bother me so I didn't mind.

I will say this in defense of the LX, it has less hand shock of any bow I have shot. It was just dead in the hand with nothing on it. Speed wise it isn't close to the VFT but honestly it was not designed to be that fast. I have said it before this is more of a refined mathews bow, the brace height may be a little lower but you couldn't tell. It felt like a legacy with a smoother draw & less hand shock. The new cam is a winner in my book.

Really I don't care which bow booth you where at, nothing is revolutionary this year.....nothing. everything is more or less modificatiosn to improve most designs.