500 fps

The Patriot was relesed months before the Legacy. Who ripped of whom?

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Ossage

Mathews released their parallel limb tech, short limb, long riser bows, what BT calls VLT several years before BT, It has nothing to do with the legacy. They explicitly stated the purpose of the system as being recoil elimination, force cancelation. Their mistake was not to push the system to it's maximum geometric posibility, allowing the Patriot to jump in there with a far more radical looking bow.

Beyond that, Bowtech is modeled on Mathews in looks, and features, and it isn't Mathews that uses the Bowtech cams. Bowtech for all their many features, don't look like hoyts, or High Country. They are an obvious rip-off of Mathews. It is also arguable that they are better bows, they are certainly better in certain areas, like speed.

I would never buy a Black Max. Some of the fast BTs have very shootable specs. There is no comparison.

Also on features like adjustibility, or the ability to get the bow you want with the cam you want, Mathews still isn't serving the public. I'm weird, I'd like a C2/3 with an Icon style cam, maybe someone would like to see them with dual cams, even if they are "worse" for certain things, why isn't the customer's preference served?

HotLZ

"maybe someone would like to see them with dual cams, even if they are "worse" for certain things"

"Insert Mathews ad here"
Dual Cams are history!
"End ad"

Dual cams are most certainly making a comeback. But if Mathews offered one, that would go against the advertising blitzkreig that we've seen the last 5 years.



Edited by - HotLZ on 01/18/2003 18:38:04

bigcountry25

Let me first Mathews are good bows but all I was tring to say is they didn't invent a single thing all they done was improve on all design as does every company now a days, like I said before we all all shooting 20 year old tech.

One thing I ain't for sure on is the perimeter weighted single cams but I did here Mathews has been or is being sued over that issue, by someone that is talked about alot on this board for not paying royalties for the use of that design. Has anyone heard anything about this or is it just bull. This was not heard on the internet but from a trusted shop owner that doesn't carry either line of bows.

Orions_Bow

I shot a ton of bows at the ATA show and the 4 bows that shined are the Mathews LX, Bowtech XVFT, Bowtech Wheely, and the dual cam PSE Nitro.

Orions_Bow

oh yea I also never once heard any bow company put the other companies there down. I also never heard anyone try to say they had the fastest or best bow in the world. It was basically "this is whats new, we think you will like it and now come check it out".

After my experience I don't see Bowtech or Mathews challenging anyone to a speed contest, They don't have time at these shows and honestly they could all care less.

Orions_Bow

Hawgz, I shot both the LX, BlackMax (neither through a chrono) and today I was shooting the bowtech extreame vft and I did shoot it through a chrono. 70lbs, 350 grain arrow, 30 inch draw 335 fps. Ask Bow_Tech shooter, I saw him several times at the show. The blackmax was also spitting them out fast, no idea on what it would come in under if shot through a chronograph.

Orions_Bow

500 fps, I just saw your post - the MQ1 came before either <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Ossage

The conquest which had a steeper limb angle than the MQ1 came out the year before in 97. They claim the thing goes back to the Signature in 96. Personaly when I saw that I thought great, an elegant looking, and forgiving Ultralight. I don't think they pushed it as parallel limb, though it would have had that sort of effect, and they may have been softening up the market, since the first step was getting people to go for allt hat riser. Next year they came out with the ugly looking Conquest, but it was obvious what they were up to, and the bow shot great. I didn't know what they where doing with the Paralimb design when they came out with the MQ1, and the limbs where less parallel.

They saw back and forth. The legacy was Paralimb more than the Icon. Why?

Actualy, though I don't remember people saying it, their earlier ugly Z bows had pretty parallel limbs, but the argument then seemed to be that they needed the angle to deal with how short they were, not recoil. Then if you jump back to Browning bows of the 80s, they had a more parallel limb than most, being like the Zs in shape, and so forth.

Toby from MO

Orion,

What was you overall impression on the VFT? I saw the speeds you were getting but what about recoil and noise? Was it harsh drawing it? What about the valley?

Spec for spec the VFT looks to be the best new hunting bow available this year. After comparing it spec to spec with the new Mathews LX, well, it doesn't even compare. Not to mention the 317 IBO from Mathews is with their new cam set at 65%, not 80% like the VFT specs. The VFT speeds seems to rival the speed of the Black Max yet it has the dimensions of the LX. Not bad in my book.

I have been a faithful Mathews shooter for five years now and the only problem is that I am still shooting that 5 year old Ultra Max. I originally bought that bow for the speed. Not to shoot 320+ but to shoot one sight pin and 425 - 475gr arrow at 270 - 280fps. I shoot this bow extremely well and have found no desire to purchase any of the &quot;smoother&quot; crap that Mathews has dished out the past 5 years. I have waited patiently for Mathews to answer the customers call and I am about ready to jump ship.

Toby