hotload

Thanks to everyone who have been helping me with my questions about theese new bows. you have really been a big help. But now I am confused, I saw a post in the bowhunting .com forum that said that the DC was probably in the hard draw category, but not as hard as the Legacy, and with a little more valley. Is this true? I thought this valley of death Ive been hearing about was on the Bowtechs.Bear with me guys, I had my mind set on a Legacy, but that was before even considering a Patriot DC. The Bowtech Line of bows are new to me.I am ready to buy a new bow right now! and might possibly have access to a DC sometime this week. Matthews is driving me crazy! The thought of what they MIGHT be coming out with is the only thing holding me back. Any input on the comparison of the valley, and the harshness of the draws would be appreciated. hotload

JeffB

Well I have a DC PAT and I've owned 3 Legacy's (long story).

At my draw lengths, the Legacy is easier to draw, and has "more" valley. When I say "more" I mean that it feels like you have more, but you still have to shoot it hard off the wall, otherwise you get flyers. The valley is more sensitive on the Legacy. you can be out of it an not know it and wonder why you cannot hit the broadside of a barn. On the DC PAT you are either in or out, and you know it.

Now here's the kicker. My 28.5" cam Legacy (measured 29" AMO), 70 (Seventy) Lbs peak shot a 355 grain arrow at 287 FPS with a loop and a peep. My 61 LB Single cam Patriot (29" AMO at 65% letoff) shot a similar weight arrow at just shy of 280 FPS through the same exact chrono with loop, peep, and string leeches. And the DC PAT is faster than the SC PAT by about 15 FPS or so.

So drop 10 pounds of weight for an easier draw, get the same or better speed, and enjoy that new Bowtech <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Seriously you should shoot em both and make a choice, but for me personally other than that the Legacy is a quieter bow, it can't compete with the DC PAT in any other area.





Edited by - JeffB on 01/13/2003 19:54:40

Jerry/NJ

HL, I am in the same boat. I am concerned about the draw as well. But I havent shot them yet so as soon as I do I will feel better or worse, lol.

Jerry/NJ

Jeff, we posted at same time, lol

pdq 5oh

hotload & Jerry, I think you'll both find the dual cams to be a different feeling draw, as opposed to single cams. The duals start to build immediately and remain pretty constant, not having that feeling of dropping into a big valley. The singles tend to start out easy and build until you hit the valley, then drop (echoes now) into it. You really need to shoot the Duallys to appreciate what I'm trying to get across.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

hotload

Jeff, please explain what you said about being out of the valley, and not knowing it. Thanks hotload

pdq 5oh

hotload, I'm not Jeff. My feeling is on the duals you feel the creep as you relax before the shot. Not a good thing. But with a dual cam it's much less critical. On the singles with high let off, it's easier to creep and not realize it. It also affects the shot much, much more. Pinwheel has gone over creep (super) tuning. This tuning technique, on duals, can negate a slight creep when shooting. Singles won't tolerate creeping.

Phil.
&quot;Could you guys be quiet, my dad's trying to shoot.&quot;<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>

Jerry/NJ

Phil, thanx for the reply. I am not a 1 cam fan. I have always liked the DC's and I have been shooting the Dartons the last 4 years, the CPS system is real nice. I get the drift from you and it doesnt sound bad as I thought. I sure would love to shoot one so I can stop asking questions! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

JeffB

HL,

What I meant is that on the Mathews SL type cams (and the SL 3 on the legacy is less sensitive in this regard, but the problem still stands) What you perceive as the valley is actually fairly wide But what actual valley is there for the bow to remain accurate is very, very small. Now the problem is you cannot “feel” that difference. It just feels like you have some valley to shoot in. In actuality if you don’t shoot hard off the wall, you are going to get stray arrows. Problem is since it’s harder to feel if you creep on the SL cams, you don’t know what the hell is going on, other than you are not hitting the mark.

On the other hand, with the valley of the DC PAT you are either hard against the wall (and in the minimal amount of valley) or you are not, and you can instantly tell when you are not because the string will lurch forward: there is no middle ground. This is why it is critical to get your draw length correct with this style cam. Once the draw length is correct however, it sort of locks in. If you have a creeping problem or are overdrawn (both of which are very detrimental to accuracy) this bow will cure it.

Hope that helps.

hotload

Jeff,
That is exactly what I needed to know. You answered my question to a &quot;T&quot;.I am starting to understand theese terms alot better.Matthews is driving me crazy ! They are the only thing holding me up.I am calling today to check on the DC Patriot that is supposed to be in the shop this week. He only has 1 on the way, but it is just right to fit me. 29&quot; with 70 lb limbs. Isnt that handy.
Thanks HL