Too much Helical?
#11
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Too much Helical?
I'd call it too much unless you're really having to work hard at stabilizing a broadhead. But then, I've used feathers with enough helical that the leading edge of each feather was directly in-line with the trailing edge of the feather next to it, so what do I know...[8D]
As long as you've got good rest clearance and you're not getting too much fletching noise, it's no biggie. They should tune up and fly great over normal hunting distances.
As long as you've got good rest clearance and you're not getting too much fletching noise, it's no biggie. They should tune up and fly great over normal hunting distances.
#12
RE: Too much Helical?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I resprectfully disagree with that statement.The bitz is adjustable. The clamp has acertain amount of twist, which is not much, but adjustment of the jig is where you get more twist. I never put this hard of a helical on arrows. Even though I use EZ fletch grayling, and bitz. Iusally only use the EZright helical.
ORIGINAL: Straightarrow
One thing about helical, it's either all or none. A given helical clamp can only attach a fletch one way to your shaft. There is no adjustment. To change the amount of helical, you have to change the shaft.
One thing about helical, it's either all or none. A given helical clamp can only attach a fletch one way to your shaft. There is no adjustment. To change the amount of helical, you have to change the shaft.
I have fletched vanes the you have them fletched here and, although I was not measuring for a speed difference, I measured speed on arrows with an offset blazer and arrows fletched like yours. If my memory serves me correctly they may have only been a couple of FPS difference and that just may have been other factors.
#14
RE: Too much Helical?
I have always wondered what the advantage (if any) would be with the helical over a pretty significant offset. I am using the 2" Blazers on Axis shafts. The maximum offset the jig will allow is giving me very good broadhead flight.
#15
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RE: Too much Helical?
I would be interested in the results too Roskoe. Main reason I started this, was I was out practicing some long shots with my longbow and notice on a bad release how quickly my arrow straighen up with a hard helical. I mean these are 5.5" bar feathers however.
#16
RE: Too much Helical?
I'm thinking the feathers would give a little more general air resistance than the Blazers; but because they are more flexible, the real feathers aren't going to provide as much actual spin. I have no quantifiable basis for this opinion, though. But, in good light,I can clearly see my arrow spiral toward the target.
Along the same lines, it has bothered me for some time that, at a given distance, you would think an arrow would spin a certain number of revolutions - with some degree of consistency - and thecock fletch would wind up oriented more or less in the same position on each arrow in the target. Not even close. Even shooting the same arrow several times from the same distance isn't that consistent.
Along the same lines, it has bothered me for some time that, at a given distance, you would think an arrow would spin a certain number of revolutions - with some degree of consistency - and thecock fletch would wind up oriented more or less in the same position on each arrow in the target. Not even close. Even shooting the same arrow several times from the same distance isn't that consistent.
#17
RE: Too much Helical?
ORIGINAL: Roskoe
I have always wondered what the advantage (if any) would be with the helical over a pretty significant offset. I am using the 2" Blazers on Axis shafts. The maximum offset the jig will allow is giving me very good broadhead flight.
I have always wondered what the advantage (if any) would be with the helical over a pretty significant offset. I am using the 2" Blazers on Axis shafts. The maximum offset the jig will allow is giving me very good broadhead flight.
Main reason I started this, was I was out practicing some long shots with my longbow and notice on a bad release how quickly my arrow straighen up with a hard helical.
This is a big reason I went to feathers for my hunting setup.
#18
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RE: Too much Helical?
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I resprectfully disagree with that statement.The bitz is adjustable. The clamp has acertain amount of twist, which is not much, but adjustment of the jig is where you get more twist. I never put this hard of a helical on arrows. Even though I use EZ fletch grayling, and bitz. Iusally only use the EZright helical.
I resprectfully disagree with that statement.The bitz is adjustable. The clamp has acertain amount of twist, which is not much, but adjustment of the jig is where you get more twist. I never put this hard of a helical on arrows. Even though I use EZ fletch grayling, and bitz. Iusally only use the EZright helical.
I've never used a Bitz, so maybe there is something flexible about the clamp that allows it to seat the full length of the fletch with different angles on the same shaft. Otherwise, I would expect parts of the fletch to not fully adhere to the shaft.
#19
RE: Too much Helical?
The amount of helical isnt adjustable, what is adjustable is the amount of offset you can use for that helical fletch. With a little added offset it should give you a bit more spin. Personaly I think helical is like alot of thing people on here go overboard with. For example heavy arrow, some say the heavier the better but in all actuality there is a happy medium in there. Just like with cutting diameter, the bigger isnt always the better there either. I think with doing a helical fletch there is a happy medium. If the arrow is stabilizing fast and shooting great then there isnt any reason to make it spin more. Prime example, last year I shot quickspin vanes. They shot great stabilized the arrow fast but Im shooting blazers this year not getting as much spin but acuracy and stability havent seemed to change one bit. Just my two cents.
#20
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 77
RE: Too much Helical?
I’ve had some pretty good debates with aero space engineers regarding the drag a helical fletch effecting momentum, vs. the increased spin caused by the helical creating a better air cushion to fly on and a more stable arrow. In the average hunting yardage from 20 -40 yards the difference is minimal….The bottom line in any case is the more helical you have the quicker you are going to stabilize the arrow flight. I liked the low profile 4 inch vanes with a lot of helical myself.[/b]
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Especially with the heavier the arrows typically used in traditional archery the bigger feathers with more helical is definitely the way to go. These light fast flying carbon arrows are effected by wind and resistance more so than a heavier shaft, that’s why those little blazers are so popular. But I still preferred a longer low profile with helical over an off set vane….better arrow flight in my opinion.[/b]
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I did some serious field testing using these quick spin arrows on a speed bow shooting over 300 FPS…. The increased spin carried those arrows further on a flat trajectory than blazers do by a significant amount at 50- 60 yards…..at 80 yards the momentum was starting to bring them closer together again due to the drag and extra weight of the heavy fletching….and at a 100 yards there was no elevation difference at all, but I was more accurate with the quick spins. The quick spin vanes did excellent in high cross wind conditions too…..a huge difference….. food for thought…Kirk[/b]
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Especially with the heavier the arrows typically used in traditional archery the bigger feathers with more helical is definitely the way to go. These light fast flying carbon arrows are effected by wind and resistance more so than a heavier shaft, that’s why those little blazers are so popular. But I still preferred a longer low profile with helical over an off set vane….better arrow flight in my opinion.[/b]
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I did some serious field testing using these quick spin arrows on a speed bow shooting over 300 FPS…. The increased spin carried those arrows further on a flat trajectory than blazers do by a significant amount at 50- 60 yards…..at 80 yards the momentum was starting to bring them closer together again due to the drag and extra weight of the heavy fletching….and at a 100 yards there was no elevation difference at all, but I was more accurate with the quick spins. The quick spin vanes did excellent in high cross wind conditions too…..a huge difference….. food for thought…Kirk[/b]