JeffB

RA,

Glad to hear ya got one so close to home! You’ll still have to come up sometim, and shoot the breeze and a few arrows at the shop, if you have the chance!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

If you feel like you have about a ½” of “valley” and then it takes off, then I would probably say that the draw length is too long for you…It sounds like you might be overextending to keep it against the wall. On some cam systems since the letoff is there, you can get away with slightly more draw length, and you can relax a bit more and then consciously pull back into the wall…but that just kind of “band-aids” the problem. I think you should see about ordering some 28” or if they are making them 28.5” modules, and then see what happens. Another alternative is to try a shorter loop if you use one, or experiment with your release aid length. It goes without saying that having the correct draw length can make a HUGE difference in how well you can hold steady and still be comfy. Nice thing is that the BT’s are so quick the speed loss is negligible…the difference between 320 and 310 really doesn’t make a whole lotta difference unless you want the bragging rights


Chief,

Personally while I think the cable adjusters are a cool idea, based on my experience with the string/cable/s that Bowtech uses, I’m not sure I see an absolute need for them, other than for those who like to tinker. I never had to touch the cables on my BKII after I set it up initially, and that seems to be the general consensus from the other Bowtech Dual cam bow owners I know and/or have conversed with. In fact the duals should be LESS sensitive as the cable length is so much shorter than the string on the singlecam designs.

I too am jealous…Oh well..good things come to those who wait…that’s supposed to make me feel better, but it ain’t working!

Rack-attack

The let-down is no worse than my mathews, and the cable guard is pretty short, add the good brace and I don't think you will be busting any knuckles.

It feels like a very flat draw force curve, it picks up the weight quick and keeps it until the valley. In fact I think it is easier to draw than my Mathews. There is no &quot;big Peak&quot; to get over.

I am convinced it is the 60% letoff that is giving me the most trouble, add to that a very agressive dual cam, and it takes some getting used to.

Pinwheel 12

My guess is that you are overbowed and long in drawlength. You pretty much have determined that the bow is heavy for you, and if so I am sure it is. Sit in a chair with the bow out at full armlength to your side, then reach out with the other hand, grab the string and while pulling your feet an inch off the floor, draw smoothly back to anchor in one motion. If you cannot do it without straining, you are overbowed, simple as that.

When you are relaxing and settling into your shot, if your drawlength is long you will have a natural tendency to creep forward much moreso than you will at correct drawlength. You should never creep 1/2&quot; unless the bow is just plain too much for you or you are way too long in drawlength, or both. I think you may want to try shortening up the bow about 1/2&quot;, dropping however many pounds you need to to feel comfortable in the above test, then give it another go. The 80% isn't a miracle cure either, the extra letoff feels better to you because there is less holding weight at the given poundage, but it also allows more &quot;slop&quot; (less tension) into the system and let's the shooter more easily draw the string out of it's natural path and thus causes many more left/right shots. Just a few little tidbits for y'all. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Rack-attack

Jeff,

Sounds like a deal, but not until I can hit the side of a barn with this Patriot..LOL<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Don't want to embarrass myself too bad



You think like me, My anchor is about the same with the Pat as it was with the Mathews. There is a definite chance I might be a bit long on the draw, It feels right, but if I can't work it out I will go down in draw length.

Believe me, I want this bow to work out for me, If I can shoot this bow comfortably and well It will be the ultimate hunting bow!!

Hope you get yours soon

Rack-attack

Pinwheel,

Thanks for your comments, they always hold weight.

It would be logical to assume I am over bowed by reading my problems with this new bow, but I am certain I am not. I am 6'1&quot; and 215 lbs, been working out (on and off) all my life and can pretty much draw a 70lb bow back smoothly standing on my head.

This bow is actually easier to draw than my Mathews. I am thinking more and more about the draw length. The pro shop's loop is longer than the ones I make, add the fact that I may have ben 1/2&quot; over to start with, and this could be the problem.

Thanks to all.

Kanga

Rack.

My loop is only 1/2&quot; and has plenty of room for the nock and release.
Try a smaller loop that might help.
But if I was you I would also try the 28.5 modules.
Without having the manual I dont know how to make the in between adjustments.
My draw lenght is measured at 28.5 but seeing I use a loop I get my bows with a 28&quot; draw does this make sense <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>


Aussie by birth Texan by choice

JeffB

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Jeff,

Sounds like a deal, but not until I can hit the side of a barn with this Patriot..LOL<img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Don't want to embarrass myself too bad<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Heh..you've never seen ME shoot!



<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>You think like me, My anchor is about the same with the Pat as it was with the Mathews. There is a definite chance I might be a bit long on the draw, It feels right, but if I can't work it out I will go down in draw length.

Believe me, I want this bow to work out for me, If I can shoot this bow comfortably and well It will be the ultimate hunting bow!!

Hope you get yours soon
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Even 1/4&quot; or so can make a BIG difference..especially with a narrow valley bow...I think as you said, trying a shorter loop, and perhaps fiddling a bit with your release aid (assuming it's adjustable) might be all you need. I'm sure it will work out for you..you just gotta make sure you fit the bow to you! Not the converse!

Keep me posted..if not here, shoot me an email.

And thanx for the well wishes upon getting mine..I'm dyin here... <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

pdq 5oh

RA, I thought for a second they sent you mine by mistake. But mine's a 60#er. I was assured it would ship within a week. The lower let off does take some getting used to. But I prefer it. It forces me to complete the shot, not relax & get sloppy. I have a P38 dual cam. I really like the narrower valley. I never much cared for the drop into the wall of 80%. When I tried 80%, I anticipated the drop and drew inconsistently, trying to avoid slamming into the wall. I can just pull back nice & easy. I feel the slight drop & the wall is there. My Mighty Mite is set at 70 or so %. I think after more shooting, you should come to like the let off.

Phil.
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Pinwheel 12

A string loop does not lengthen your drawlength, it actually shortens it. It does however lengthen your anchorpoint, so you may indeed be having trouble with a longer loop because you want to settle into your natural and comfortable anchor which in turn brings the drawlength forward, and it simply takes off on you due to this. Yep, shortening the loop will definately help especially if it was longer than your normal setup. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Rack-attack

Thanks to all for the help.

I took off the string loop and shot off the string, it made a bid difference. With the correct draw the valley is not that hard to settle into. The pro shop has a full set of draw modules coming in the next week or two, so I will wait until then to get the bow set up correctly. You sure don't want to be a little long with this bow.

The 65% will take some getting used to, but my confidence in this bow is going up. I think when set up for me, it will be a great, great bow.

For all you guys waiting, keep up the hope!!!!