Front OF Center
03-10-2007, 07:36 PM
#32
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RE: Front OF Center
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Straightarrow, in the first place no arrow is going to be able to penetrate a cape buffalo's rib.
Straightarrow, in the first place no arrow is going to be able to penetrate a cape buffalo's rib.
So the one's that hunt them are depending on luck not to hit a rib.
03-11-2007, 10:34 AM
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RE: Front OF Center
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Straightarrow, in the first place no arrow is going to be able to penetrate a cape buffalo's rib.
Straightarrow, in the first place no arrow is going to be able to penetrate a cape buffalo's rib.
430gr arrow at 10% foc (125gr fixed) traveling at 271fps =70lbs of ke.My brhd's & fieldtips have same poi to 60yds.
This is not enuff for the biggest bear? Geuss again.
This is not enuff for the biggest bear? Geuss again.
I'll guess that on a perfect hit, you'll be okay. On a less than perfect hit, be prepared to run like a deer. Heck, why do thing think it's illegal to use such a light arrow on griz? It ain't because it's such a lethal combination. It's because it's performance regarding penetration sucks when compared to a properly designed arrow for really large game.
03-12-2007, 03:22 AM
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RE: Front OF Center
Sorry, my mistake. A few years ago, there was a proposal to make the minimum gr arrow used for Moose or Bear in Alaska , something in the 800 grain area. I thought that it had passed. I just checked, and it did not.
I do know that there are many guides in both Alaska and Africa that will not take a customer with such light arrows. Many demand fixed blade broadheads and heavier arrows. They've witnessed hundreds of these huge animals, shot by arrows and they know what works.
Really, just read Dr. Ashby's reports. Many of his hundreds of observed kills are on water buffalo, which are huge - ribs like 2x4's. He records the details about each kill. He's been doing this for many years. After reading his studies, it's easy to see the superiority of heavy arrows with very high FOC.
I do know that there are many guides in both Alaska and Africa that will not take a customer with such light arrows. Many demand fixed blade broadheads and heavier arrows. They've witnessed hundreds of these huge animals, shot by arrows and they know what works.
Really, just read Dr. Ashby's reports. Many of his hundreds of observed kills are on water buffalo, which are huge - ribs like 2x4's. He records the details about each kill. He's been doing this for many years. After reading his studies, it's easy to see the superiority of heavy arrows with very high FOC.
03-12-2007, 05:47 AM
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RE: Front OF Center
ORIGINAL: Straightarrow
Sorry, my mistake. A few years ago, there was a proposal to make the minimum gr arrow used for Moose or Bear in Alaska , something in the 800 grain area. I thought that it had passed. I just checked, and it did not.
I do know that there are many guides in both Alaska and Africa that will not take a customer with such light arrows. Many demand fixed blade broadheads and heavier arrows. They've witnessed hundreds of these huge animals, shot by arrows and they know what works.
Really, just read Dr. Ashby's reports. Many of his hundreds of observed kills are on water buffalo, which are huge - ribs like 2x4's. He records the details about each kill. He's been doing this for many years. After reading his studies, it's easy to see the superiority of heavy arrows with very high FOC.
Sorry, my mistake. A few years ago, there was a proposal to make the minimum gr arrow used for Moose or Bear in Alaska , something in the 800 grain area. I thought that it had passed. I just checked, and it did not.
I do know that there are many guides in both Alaska and Africa that will not take a customer with such light arrows. Many demand fixed blade broadheads and heavier arrows. They've witnessed hundreds of these huge animals, shot by arrows and they know what works.
Really, just read Dr. Ashby's reports. Many of his hundreds of observed kills are on water buffalo, which are huge - ribs like 2x4's. He records the details about each kill. He's been doing this for many years. After reading his studies, it's easy to see the superiority of heavy arrows with very high FOC.
The same guy has been back several times and hasbeen very sucsessful. His taxadermy billis enormous. Some guyshave it.
03-12-2007, 07:38 AM
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RE: Front OF Center
One guy went his first time with a bow at justover 80. Hit an elephant just a hair forward at 25 yrds. Hit the shoulder bone. The bull reached back and pulled the shaft out. They searched for a couple days to find it, never did. Still cost him $17,000.
03-12-2007, 08:00 AM
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RE: Front OF Center
I don't think the foc has as much to do with it, as an arrow with weight, a bow to through it and a guy that can pull one
03-13-2007, 06:02 PM
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RE: Front OF Center
TFox , have you ever looked at the way the rib cage of a Cape buffalo is formed. The ribs overlap so a broadside shot is NOT going to get through the rib. You take a quartering away shot to be able for your arrow to get between or slide off of a rib and get into the vitals.
03-13-2007, 07:26 PM
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RE: Front OF Center
But you said no arrow,it is proven to be done and with a heavy ,high foc arrow.
I believe Ihave seen them shot and killed on tv with a completely broadside shot(if memory serves).We don't always see what is "the best" on tv though.
You are probably correct with the best way to shoot them,I am not an Africangame hunter.[8D]
I am not a heavy arrow guy but when it comes to busting bone,you must haveHIGH momentum and high foc.
I believe Ihave seen them shot and killed on tv with a completely broadside shot(if memory serves).We don't always see what is "the best" on tv though.
You are probably correct with the best way to shoot them,I am not an Africangame hunter.[8D]
I am not a heavy arrow guy but when it comes to busting bone,you must haveHIGH momentum and high foc.