kennyb

I have had a MQ1 since it came out it is a very good bow I have shot thousands of arrows off this bow and never had a problem.It is the most copied bow in the history of compound archery.Its a classic like the model 70 winchester rifle or a 68 camaro.

Pinwheel 12

ToddinNY-

I'm certainly not perfect and do not have all of the answers to everything, if I did then I'd be able to get the truly big bucks and be on TV! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> I simply make my opinions on products based upon my years of experience in the sport and industry, and one can choose to follow my thoughts or not, totally up to them as individuals. No need to get defensive and shoot any digs at me here, you are entitled to believe whatever you want, be loyal to whomever you want, and shoot whatever you want! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> One thing I must touch on however is that I've stated time and again as to WHY I dislike the stationary roller guard on the Legacy/Icon and have backed it up with direct applications and examples, so please lets not say I haven't.. But if you missed it-- All you have to do is weigh it, pull the cables off the roller guide, and weigh it again. (gee, around 9lbs!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>) Then go and do that with a Q2,(Same configuration, but with a cableguard, about 2 lbs!) and see the difference.(around 7lbs of extra prestress at the same weight between the two.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>) Lots more prestress on the Legacy. Will it hurt it? Maybe, maybe not, but I personally feel any excess prestress can hurt a bow or the limbs or both, especially over time and many thousands of shots, and that the stationary roller guard is not a great design because the cables should be allowed to move freely back and forth and in tandem with limb movement straight up/down. By restricting them it only adds increased cable angle, stress, and friction to the overall system as well as the excess prestressing of the limbs. That is why I dislike them. Simply my opinion, nothing more. As far as the Mathews techs &quot;knowing it all&quot;, hey, they are human just like you or me or anyone else, not &quot;godlike&quot;, and can make blunders right along with the rest of us.(and do!)As stated, no-one is perfect. That is why they have two versions of the &quot;straightline&quot; cam. If they were &quot;all that&quot;, they would've done it in one shot, right? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Maybe they'll come out with an updated version of the roller guide this year at the ATA show and I'll be singing praises about them in February, who knows? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Just calling it as I see it.

I personally have no issues with what anyone else wants to believe as that is their individual choice, but please realize that I don't make positive or negative comments about products without what I honestly feel is a darn good reason, and try my hardest to back things up technically whenever possible. I am not trying to &quot;submarine&quot; anyone or any company, just giving my honest opinions on individual products, just as we all do here. You'll notice that I did favor the MQ1 and Q2, and did not make any negative comments towards the overall company itself, just a couple of designs I felt warranted it. I would've done the same with any manufacturer. (And have on many occasions by the way...) Nuff said. Enjoy shooting whatever bow you feel is the greatest and most accurate in your hands. That's the bottom line. Pinwheel 12

Jason McCurry

I haven't been around long enough to know history of comments on the Legacy/Icon bows, but I didn't see any actual examples of failures because of the problems you theorize are there in the design, Pinwheel. Maybe that's what he was getting at. You said yourself that one of the problems might not hurt anything. There are enough people who have shots their Legacy and Icon bows thousands of shots that the problem should have shown some failures by now if it actually was a problem, don't you think? Would you care to elaborate more on how the roller guard and string suppressors &quot;could be&quot; an accident waiting to happen? Do you sell bow lines other than Mathews or something?

Edited by - Jason McCurry on 12/07/2002 16:59:56

moonge

I think you would like it but I think the MQ1 is a hell of a bow & only toped by the Q2 series. The legacy is nice but draws a little different - it seems to me to have a shorter valley.

compair them & see & let us know what you think!

Pinwheel 12

Jason-
Seeing as the Legacy and Icon have only been on the market less than a year, I cannot readily see many people pounding &quot;many thousands of shots&quot; out of those bows as yet. Not enough of them anyway to really check the potential trouble that MAY be there. As stated, you guys believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, it's a free country!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> I gave you my thoughts, and no, I don't feel any further need to expand on this and get a true flame-fest going here so this will be my last post on this subject. I prefer the MQ1 and Q2 over the Legacy, and the Q2XL or Conquest2 over the Icon. My opinion, and we'll leave it at that. I have nothing against Mathews bows as stated above. My son shoots an MQ1 currently also for hunting. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Trebark

Pinwheel,
Although I don't nesessarily agree with your veiws, I respect and admire the professional way that you responded to your critics. Great job.
Trebark

Become one with nature...then grill it.

Jason McCurry

After re-reading my post, it looks like I came on a bit stronger than I meant to. Here's some more info and the reason I really would like for you to comment again if there are actual failures happening.

The people shooting thousands of shots I'm referring to are folks like a buddy Chad here, who originally got me interested in the Legacy/Icon design. He's a 3D shooter and shoots three or four nights a week, shooting about 200 arrows per night, about 80% of which are with his Icon that he has had since late January. That's a LOT of shots if you add it up. He's replaced the parts that you'd expect, but hasn't had any failures nor have any of his 3D buddies that he shoots with (3 others have Icon bows).

The reason I'm asking if you know of any specific failures is that my wife is buying me a Legacy for Christmas. She was going to surprise me, but finally broke down and told me she was buying me a bow because the sheer volume of info and the number of models out there was more than she could sort through. After a pretty long process of elimination, I decided on the Legacy. I'm planning on shooting it for a long time. If there are real examples of these problems in design causing actual failures, I sure would like to know about it before I spend that much money on one and am stuck with it for years to come.

Pinwheel 12

Trebark-

Thank-you! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


Jason--

I understand your thoughts totally, and because of that and the technical theories I've mentioned above is why I don't personally recommend the Legacy. I could be wrong, I could be right, we just don't know yet. The fact that the bow and design is in the first year of production and we simply do not know if it will develop any problems or not later on down the road due to my theories stated above is the million dollar question. It is far too early to tell with the theories I have dipicted above, and yes, I have heard of some limb failures with them on occasion. Whether this is just typical &quot;certain percentage&quot; failure rates as all manufacturers get or something more, well again, I don't know as it's far too early to tell, not enough people have &quot;pounded them&quot; yet. The MQ1 has been time-proven and has a more conventional design that is basically bulletproof, and is why I favored it heavily over the Legacy. Again I will state that many people love the Legacy and Icon bows, so it is a matter of whatever floats your boat, but I do believe my statements and theories above to have some technical merit to them, again my opinion. Some of the people above don't like the draw, but I didn't personally find that to be a problem with them. It definately is an individual thing as far as that goes, so the only issues I have are as stated above. If I were to eliminate both of those items from the bow,(Legacy) I would end up with a Q2! So the choice for ME is obvious. I truly hope you enjoy your Legacy, and for your sake and everyone elses' that shoots one you will be able to tell me &quot;I told you so&quot; a few years down the road! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12



Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 12/08/2002 14:06:22

okbwhtr

Jason After reading all the post let me give my opinion. I have been staff shooter for years. I never like short bows. I now feel the Legacy is everything I want in hunting bow. Smooth,quiet, fast, and accurate. I shot the Legacy last year in 3d and held my own in top shooter class with longer bows. The bow shoots and the rollor gaurd system is fine. I have shot so many arrows just like your friend in 3d and have oringinal string. As far as sells, Legacy has accounted for 49% of all Mathews sells. We cant seem to sell enough in my dealers store and have not received one complaint about bow. Legacy owners love there bows. Trust guy that have them and have shot them. You will like the bow, I have shot new hunting bow every year as long as I can remember and those days are over. I am out of hunting bow market. Legacy is everthing this guy wants. You must have wonderfull wife, sounds like a keeper. Good Luck and let us know how this turns out.

Bees

gee, I feel the same way about my Hoyt Havoctec and my muzzy rest as okbwhtr does about his legacy and his trophey taker. to each his own I suppose. My 2 cents worth shoot some before you buy one, see what your getting.