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Old 01-14-2002, 05:09 PM
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Randy Ulmer in the new edition of Petersons Bowhunting magazine seems to be saying that the Longer the Delay before a drop away rest falls, the more consistency (accuracy) you will get in your setup as long as the rest drops away in time to clear the fletching.

What do you other Muzzy ZE users think? I have alway used the third (inboard) pivot hole to get the rest out of the way the fastest, but maybe the opposite is the way to go? Anybody played with this aspect or have any thoughts?
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Old 01-14-2002, 05:22 PM
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Even with the golden Futura rests, you should keep the tension just enough to keep the arrow up but also leave it really loose so it gets pushed down as the arrow leaves the bow. I was taught this by some pretty good 3-D archers. Im also thinking this is where the basis for the drop away came from was that low tension in the pronged rests like the TM platinum and so on.

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Old 01-14-2002, 05:59 PM
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If you take other factors such as arrow tolerances and tuning out of play.......As long as the rest drops away at the same rate EVERY time like the Zero Effect does I think that "Consistency" is a moot point.......regardless if it's an inch or 10 inches before it gets out of the way, if it's the same distance for every shot then the rest and accuracy WILL be consistent.

I do believe in my opinion that there is a sweet spot where they work the BEST, and to me it wouldn't be toward the "longer delay is better"........I'm sticking with the guy who designed the thing and say......"Just long enough to get the arrow heading the right direction!"
Any more than that and I'm guessing that you are leaning toward bringing back the same old tuning problems associated with any other rest on the market????
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Old 01-14-2002, 06:15 PM
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I will have to go with Matt on this one.

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Old 01-14-2002, 07:28 PM
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While I have had superb results with the arrow having but a short ride on the ZE, I am curious about the "sweet spot" mentioned above. What have you done to adjust for the sweet spot and how many inches of arrow travel on the rest does it tend to be?
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Old 01-14-2002, 08:09 PM
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I don't see any of the other rests having a tuning problem, I do however see different bow's that might have a tuning problem due to the timing of the bow, or the shooter of the equipment. Drop away or no drop away, we the shooters, have to work on our form and find our sweet spot, to get any arrow flying right. I think this drop away rest is a good Idea, but is also kind of gimmicky, it looks like another easy way out of tuning, kind of like mechanical broadheads and such. I could be wrong though, and often am wrong. But thats just what I think.
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Old 01-14-2002, 08:33 PM
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I've shot the ZE at different settings and there is no difference. As far as accuracy, I didn't see a big difference from shooting a 3-D Rover, in fact none. I find that the ZE's largest asset for me is not worrying about the arrow falling off the rest in the treestand or while stalking. Since I have not had a problem with fletching clearance either there was no gain there also. However if you were to shoot helical the drop away is a great asset for tuning. Bottomline is that you can only purchase so many points, and it all gets down to the archers form and concentration abilities. I still endorse the ZE, it is a very good rest.
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Old 01-14-2002, 08:47 PM
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FLHunter,

Hey, do you know a good place where I could purchase some points, even if only a few??<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I haven't bought any yet, so I figure I can get a couple -- what do you think??<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Old 01-14-2002, 10:48 PM
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Most have installed their own and maybe a friend's; whereas, we have installed hundreds for our customers. The tuning issue is usually relevant moreso to the arrow spine, cam timing, and shooter form. We have found that shooter form is much more forgiven by a good drop away rest when compared to a standard TM style rest.

One thing, on the MZE we try to do is keep the &quot;overdraw&quot; concept to a minimum. This is done to effect an arrow launch closer to the throat of the grip and to keep, in some cases, the cable(s) from hitting the hook. We have most often found that, in keeping with the above set of self-imposed standards, the mounting hole is dictated and not much of a choice. Yes, in some cases, you can choose another hole; but, keeping the hook closest to the riser has always worked better for us.

I have the equipment to do exact testing of &quot;time&quot; on the rest; but, have not yet seen the need to analyze this subject. We have not seen the need to keep the arrow on the rest any longer than necessary. In extending the time on the rest, it theoretically would lead to the type of launch mechanism that we have with a TM style rest.
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