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Trushot,

I can't say that grip sounds real comfortable, but I'll bet it does eliminate any shock. That's one of the few Simms products I haven't tried, yet. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

JOE PA

I have what I consider a very quiet bow. It has only limb savers and catwhiskers on it, though I did install a poor man's version of harmonic dampeners in the cavities behind the limbs (cast riser). I have shot this bow alternately with an MQ1 and a Q2 XL, and those were really the only bows that edged it out (slightly) on noise level. Performance ain't bowtech, but fast enough for my needs. The funny thing is that it is one of those &quot;loud Dartons&quot;. I did own a Maverick, a Mountain 2000, and an Excel, and would have to agree that they made more noise than I cared for. This Viper though is very quiet. Much quieter than the sound of the Muzzy chopping its way through 3 ribs on entry this year for sure.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!

JeffB

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it is one of those &quot;loud Dartons&quot;. I did own a Maverick, a Mountain 2000, and an Excel, and would have to agree that they made more noise than I cared for. This Viper though is very quiet. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Ahh the Viper was pretty quiet if you set it up correctly. Had one myself.

I was speaking of some of the other bows that were loud as all get out unless you shot super heavy alum. The Lightning, Hurricane , Exec 3D (w/ MKII cams),Impulse, etc..Anything w/ MKII cams was overly loud IMO. I've owned two mavericks, one was when they first introduced them. It was pretty durn quiet. my 1998 model with the new (at the time) CPS Express I could not get noise shock or recoil levels down to where I was satisfied... even with Limbsavers, leeches, and a sorbotek stabilizer. I understand later model years were improved regarding these issues.

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JOE PA

Much to my chagrin, I discovered this afternoon that, if you take a 7-year old boy who has mild post nasal drip hunting with you, he will clear his throat enough times (3127 to be exact) that it doesn't matter how loud your bow might be if you would in fact get a chance to shoot it. I also found out, not unexpectedly, that a doe snorts much louder than the 7-year old clears his throat! What can you do when the wife makes a hairdresser appt. Either take the kid, or don't go!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

The second choice wasn't really an option, IMO!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

The best part was though, that he had fun!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Avoid the inevitable until it is absolutely unavoidable!

Trushot_archer

Straightarrow

Actually It's the most comfortable grip I've had (Which is't many, only year 2 in the deerhunting catagory). It's the material they make the leeches out of in a 3 inch wide strip with little bumps on it and tapers at both ends. I got it at Cabela's. The reason I bought it eas for comfort...the noise reduction was an added bonus!

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AK

Excellent and interesting post. I also insist on a quiet hunting bow, above all. I hunt with selfbows which are very quiet to begin with. To make them virtually silent, however, I use a moderately weighted bowstring (14 strands Dynaflight), use big muskrat fur string silencers placed at the primary harmonic nodes on the bowstring (1/3 in from each limb tip), and shoot arrows of around 10-12 grains per pound of draw weight (620-675 grain arrows).

As an aside, I have experimented with arrows up to 1,100 grains. Though the bow almost cannot be heard when using such superweight arrows, managing the trajectory beyond 10 yds with a 65# bow is almost insurmountable. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

pdq 5oh

I was shooting my Mighty Mite in the back of the church, during the sermon last Sunday. It's set up with limb savers, whiskers, Isolator stabilizer. Nobody knew what I was up to, until I threw one out in the 5 ring. I exclaimed,&quot;God, where did that come from?&quot;. There came a thunderous reply, &quot;DON'T BLAME ME FOR THAT, GET A DUAL CAM BOW!!!&quot;. Needless to say I was busted, and left in shame having put one in the 5 ring at 8 yds.<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

I think just about any bow, set up properly, can be made quiet enough to hunt. People are amazed how quietly my MM (55#) spits out a 360 gr arrow at 270 fps. And it's as accurate as I can be. I'm with Jeff in wanting some speed in my setup. It may only mean fractions of a second, but that's also how a deer's reactions times are measured. Could it mean the difference between a good hit and a poor one? Maybe, maybe not. Since the speed of sound is faster than any bow shoots, any sound will be heard by a deer before the arrow gets there. Quiet is good. Fast and quiet is better, IMO. Even if fast is a touch louder.



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IL-Cornfed

I believe that a quiet bow is important concerning animal flight distance. Just as a quiet bow will prevent a deer from jumping the string, a quiet bow will not send a deer on an all out tear thru the timber. I've seen my last 15 to 20 deer fall within 30 to 60 yards of my tree. The arrow struck, the deer jumped and then hopped or staggered out a little ways and then just stood there. None of these deer had a clue what had just happened.

For the record, my hunting package consists of a 65# Q2, a TR Matrix, a GKF Mirage, a GKF Traq with 3 SVL Mods, Stealth LS, Cable dampeners, Teflon slide, WC string outfitted with string loop, proto string leeches, and Spyder Speed silencers. I also prefer not to shoot my bow with a quiver so I detach an Alpine Soft-Loc. This system launches a 335 grain CX 3D Select tipped with a GKF Demon/Steelhead, extremely well. This system makes this THE most effective hunting bow I've used. It's powerfull enough to push my arrows all the way thru any whitetail, fast enought for a flat trajectoy, and quiet enough to get all kinds of comments at the range.

pinmaster

I've never had a deer &quot;jump the string&quot;. My grandfather made one thing clear to me about bowhunting a long time ago, never shoot at a deer unless it is in a relaxed or browsing/ feeding mode. Too many guys try shots at deer when they are suspicious or jittery and ready to bolt and this is where most &quot;string jumps&quot; come from, not how quiet your bow is.

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AB Bow Hunter

There is always going to be this debate over speed vs. loudness.

I try to minimize the things I can't control or estimate, it leaves room for error. When I draw back I want to be thinking about one thing, hitting where I am aiming, by having a fast set up I don't concern myself with aiming a little high or a little low, I put the dot on the deer & cut loose. I control the decision on when to shoot, i.e..... while deer is not suspicious or jittery, I can also control the fact that my arrow is going to get to that aiming point as quickly as possible. My brother is noise freak, so we did a little test.

With a high speed video camera from work & the annoying dog next door, I proceeded to put my target bag next to his kennel on my side of the fence. While he was just walking around & eating I would shoot, every time I shot he didn't look or react to the shot but he did react to the arrow hitting the target. When I shot while he was attentive & ears perked up he reacted to the bow. All shots were 30 yards @ 335 fps. The exact same thing for my brothers Legacy, with all the fixens & heavy slow arrows. He couldn’t believe the dog could hear his bow when he released, in fact I think he would have lied had we not had the tape.

PS. almost mist the target while making sure the video tape was recording.


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