How exactly do you group tune?

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11-07-2002, 06:39 PM

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BowTech_Shooter

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

I consider group tunes the ones like The Supremes, The Temptations, The O Jays and the list goes on...Now them groups got some good tunes...

BTW, I'm a huge Nuge fan and I love all his groups tunes too...

11-07-2002, 06:52 PM

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JeffB

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

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I consider group tunes the ones like The Supremes, The Temptations, The O Jays and the list goes on...Now them groups got some good tunes...

BTW, I'm a huge Nuge fan and I love all his groups tunes too...
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ROTFLMAO...

Beautiful...

And now for something completely different....

The LARCH....

The LAAARCH....

JeffB <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

11-07-2002, 09:02 PM

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pdq 5oh

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

c903, you mention an archer acquiring confidence, after learning to shoot well at long distance, taking a ridiculously long shot as a result of the new found confidence. If that be the case, the decision to shoot was ill advised, but probably would have been taken anyway. Being confident in your abilities beyond hunting distances doesn't give rise to taking foolish shots. Being foolish does. I have yet to allow confidence to influence me to take an ill-advised shot. I restrict myself to 25 yds, getting close is the thrill for me. I practice to 50 yds, because I can. When I move up to 25 yds, I feel extremely confident, both in myself and my setup (which I tune as precisely as I can). I have not been into archery a real long time. At least not to the degree I presently am. I've dinked around with bows a lot of years, though not very seriously. I've learned alot and come a long way since deciding to get more technical, and beginning to push myself (shooting more and longer distances). I feel the only way to improve is to try new things and see what works, and what doesn't. Shooting longer distances helps my concentration. If concentration lapses at 50 yds, the result is not pretty. At 20 yds it's not so bad, but enough to bother me. The resulting improvement in concentration, from longer distance shooting, helps my 20 yd shots. I can see no harm in trying to tune my bow to the best of my ability. Believe me, it's gone the wrong way with some attempts. That's how I've learned what, and what not, to do. When things go right I feel very pleased in my accomplishment. When not, I'm glad I measured everything so I can regroup and restart.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> IMO, the more an archer/bowhunter tinkers/learns their setup, the better they'll be for it. And being able to shoot well, and practice, at ranges beyond normal hunting range should never preclude good judgment.

BTW, Pat, you forgot to mention Mountain and Led Zeplin.<img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Phil.
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Edited by - pdq 5oh on 11/07/2002 22:06:08

11-07-2002, 09:26 PM

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Black Frog

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

pdq 5oh-

Your statements are exactly the situation I was trying to convey. I see people at our club in the same boat you are, and I've seen them improve a great deal. Just because an archer can group well at 50yds does not mean that their self-discipline just flew out the window once they get in a treestand and they'll start taking outrageous shots at animals.

I whole-heartedly agree with you.

Bowtech shooter-

I suppose then when I really screw around too much with my setup and I'm all over the place that it can be considered a "looney tune"? <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Edited by - Black Frog on 11/07/2002 22:29:27

11-08-2002, 12:04 AM

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c903

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

Black Frog

As it is with any debate, divulging both sides of the story and playing "Devil's advocate" are common and indispensable tactics, used to solicit as many opinions and as much information available about the subject at hand. In the end, each person freely makes their personal choice(s), but are better informed to make the right choice(s) that is best for him or her.

The primary rule used in most debates is: Content and strategy are worth little unless you deliver your material in a confident and persuasive way.

One definite indicator that a person may be emotionally ill-equipped to tolerate opposing views and/or a challenge to his or her views, and seriously believes there is no other way but his or her way, is when he or she unnecessarily resorts to the use of derogatory terms to specifically address an opponent, and then threatens to take their ball and go home.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>”...you're nuts. Plain and simple.”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>”..you're nuts. And if that's the case, there's no need to continue this conversation”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>.

Another indicator that a person is not too well equipped to handle opposing views is when the person takes something out of context and rephrases what was actually said in an attempt to enhance his or her argument and discredit their opponent.

I did not say... or label:

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>”You on the other hand have labled the idea of possibly wanting to be an ARCHER instead of just a BOWHUNTER as "absurd and unrealistic".<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

What I did say, was:

"..all other shots at a much lesser distance becomes a "piece of cake." Of the many absurd and unrealistic statements commonly made here, that advice and belief takes the "whole cake."

That comment contained a paraphrase of something you said, and my statement of “absurdity” and “unrealistic” was specifically and clearly directed at your statement that clearly indicates you believe mastering a long shot makes shots at a lesser distance appear as cake.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>”If you can tighten up your groups out to 80+yds, and practice long distance shooting, it makes those 20-30yd hunting shots look like cake<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

I don’t know about you, but I put the same serious effort and concentration in making a 10-yard shot, as I would in making an 80-yard shot.

http://www.bowhunter.com/editorial.html

Edited by - c903 on 11/08/2002 01:14:36

11-08-2002, 07:30 AM

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Black Frog

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

c903-

I'm done with this thread.

Also in debates, when a person fails to recognize the obvious truth in front of them, there is no use in furthering discussion- because there is none to have. It is like talking to a brick wall- and I have better things to do with my time. You're right- I apologize for calling you "nuts". I shouldn've more correctly stated that the idea that an archer can NOT better himself by shooting longer distances is ridiculous, ludicrous, and preposterous.

Nowhere did I ever say that I did not put as much effort and concentration in making a 10yd shot as I would in a 80yd shot. I SAID a 20-30yd shot looks easier when you can do well at ALL distances and have the confidence of knowing it.

Your link to the article means nothing other than what I, and others have been saying all along that self-discipline is a personal resposibility. There are jerks everywhere, and there always will be.

That is all- Have a good day sir.

11-09-2002, 04:31 AM

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Pinwheel 12

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

Let me just add this--

I feel that any tuning that helps get your bow closer to "perfection" is worth doing, as does dilligent practice at all yardages, even tho you may only be in a hunting situation.

However, even tho we should strive perfection, and even tho some of us may get nearer perfection than others on the target range and win a Local, State or even WORLD Championship title,(to answer your question,Siskyou) Game animals are not foam, and there are far too many variables that come into play at the "moment of truth" that you simply cannot have any affect on no matter what. Case in point-- I've been spending the last two days looking for a nice 8pt. The setup was great, I had a nice shot angle on him, 31 yds, but at the shot he dropped and twisted to the right (he was facing left) and the shot took him in the shoulder. Upon inspection the arrow only penetrated about 3" or so until it hit bone, and then came back out in a glancing blow. Let me add that my bow is quieter than an MQ1 with limbsavers and whiskers on it. It is as quiet as any bow out there practically, so I had done all I could do there also. We followed this deer for a total of 16 hrs, mostly because we had snow in spots and could. He clotted up overnight, and the job was tougher yesterday due to little blood. But I always follow up my shots, and do not give in until I either find the animal, lose him totally, or figure he will survive after a thorough search. This deer traveled over 2 miles before we lost him in a pine grove with no snow, (and he still was moving fine) so I think he'll be OK. It's only the second deer I have lost but it is still very depressing and makes me wonder what I could've done better? But the answer here is you cannot control the mind or thoughts or reactions of the animal EVERY time, no matter how good a shot you are, or what you do to try and ensure you can.

Moral of the story here IMO is that even if you have extreme accuracy and technique, these things will occasionally happen, and that is part of hunting. My feeling on this is that if we do eveything we can to ensure that we and our equipment are as ready as possible,(tuning, practice, etc) the fewer instances of this scenario will occur. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

11-11-2002, 10:49 AM

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RE: How exactly do you group tune?

Sorry about the buck Pinwheel. I too hope he is ok.

"the world ends at 30 yds" BF -good one.<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I have always loved the quote (and I don't know who said it): target shooting is about getting as far from your target and hitting exactly where you are aiming, and hunting is about getting as close to your target as possible and hitting exactly where you are aiming. I agree with those who think hunting and shooting targets belong in the same conversation though.

I believe in long distance practice and tuning at greater than hunting distances. You just have to know your capabilities so you don't exceed them or you won't improve on anything but your level of frustration.