How exactly do you group tune?
11-06-2002, 01:21 PM
#21
Typical Buck
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
PAB-
The "little kids' ones" are about as big as you want to go at 20yds, don't you think?(even with a recurve? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) With the size of some of the "wallet" deer I see in some states I hunt, anything bigger would be a sure wound or miss!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
And yes, that would be inflated. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> PW12
The "little kids' ones" are about as big as you want to go at 20yds, don't you think?(even with a recurve? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>) With the size of some of the "wallet" deer I see in some states I hunt, anything bigger would be a sure wound or miss!<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
And yes, that would be inflated. <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> PW12
11-06-2002, 03:11 PM
#22
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
I meant no disrespect to anyone all I am trying to say is bow tuning is not rocket science, George's version of supertuning is a way of setting up a bow from scratch, and then fine tuning it, I do not agree with it being used only for long distances, and who wants to go thru the trouble of putting your bow in a vise everytime you need to put a twist in the cable, here is George's way of dialing in your center shot for anyone that is interested, I know all of the tuning methods out there are used and called different things, I have been in archery for over 25 years so I do know a few things, not to say I know it all, I sure some of you guys have forgotten more than I'll ever know.
THIS IS THE SUPER TUNING METHOD FOR DIALING IN YOUR CENTER SHOT, ASSUMING YOUR BOW HAS BEEN SET UP PROPERLY AND SHOOTING GROUPS, WETHER THEY ARE WHERE YOU WANT THEM OR NOT DON'T BE TOO PICKY ABOUT YOUR CENTER SHOT, BECAUSE THE ARCHER HAS TO SHOOT IN THE CENTER SHOT ANYWAY. THIS IS DONE BY HAVING THE ARCHER SHOOT AT A 3" TARGET AT 20 YARDS, SETTING HIS OR HER SIGHT TO HIT THE CENTER. SHOOT A 3 OR 4 ARROW GROUP, WHEN THIS IS DONE, HANGS A STRING WITH A WEIGHT (PLUMB BOB) ON THE ARROW IN THE CENTER OF THEGROUP, LEAVING IT IN THE TARGET, THEN TAKE THE ARCHER TO 30 YDS OR MORE STILL USING THERE 20 YD PIN STILL AIMING ATTHE THE SAME TARGET AND SHOOT THREE GOOD ARROWS. IF THE GROUP IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE STRING, MOVE YOUR REST TO THE LEFT IN SMALL INCREMENTS UNTIL THE GROUP IS WITHIN 1" OR LESS LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE STRING FOR THE AVERAGE ARCHER, FOR THE PRO, WE WANT THE ARROW 1/4" OR LESS TO THE STRING, YOU MUST BE SHOOTING CONSISTANTLY FOR THIS TO WORK IF NOT YOUR JUST WASTING YOUR TIME, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DIALING OUT THE ARCHERS TORQUE. THERE IS ALSO A METHOD FOR DIALING IN YOUR HIGH OR LOW GROUPS SIMILAR TO THIS METHOD, USING YOUR BOTTOM LIMB BOLT FOR ADJUSTMENT.
THIS IS THE SUPER TUNING METHOD FOR DIALING IN YOUR CENTER SHOT, ASSUMING YOUR BOW HAS BEEN SET UP PROPERLY AND SHOOTING GROUPS, WETHER THEY ARE WHERE YOU WANT THEM OR NOT DON'T BE TOO PICKY ABOUT YOUR CENTER SHOT, BECAUSE THE ARCHER HAS TO SHOOT IN THE CENTER SHOT ANYWAY. THIS IS DONE BY HAVING THE ARCHER SHOOT AT A 3" TARGET AT 20 YARDS, SETTING HIS OR HER SIGHT TO HIT THE CENTER. SHOOT A 3 OR 4 ARROW GROUP, WHEN THIS IS DONE, HANGS A STRING WITH A WEIGHT (PLUMB BOB) ON THE ARROW IN THE CENTER OF THEGROUP, LEAVING IT IN THE TARGET, THEN TAKE THE ARCHER TO 30 YDS OR MORE STILL USING THERE 20 YD PIN STILL AIMING ATTHE THE SAME TARGET AND SHOOT THREE GOOD ARROWS. IF THE GROUP IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE STRING, MOVE YOUR REST TO THE LEFT IN SMALL INCREMENTS UNTIL THE GROUP IS WITHIN 1" OR LESS LEFT OR RIGHT OF THE STRING FOR THE AVERAGE ARCHER, FOR THE PRO, WE WANT THE ARROW 1/4" OR LESS TO THE STRING, YOU MUST BE SHOOTING CONSISTANTLY FOR THIS TO WORK IF NOT YOUR JUST WASTING YOUR TIME, WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS DIALING OUT THE ARCHERS TORQUE. THERE IS ALSO A METHOD FOR DIALING IN YOUR HIGH OR LOW GROUPS SIMILAR TO THIS METHOD, USING YOUR BOTTOM LIMB BOLT FOR ADJUSTMENT.
11-06-2002, 06:01 PM
#23
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Location: East Yapank NY USA
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
PSE,
That is called the "walk back method", Never heard of that being called the "supertune"
As far as up and down - shooting at a horizontal line I would micro-adjust my nocking point/rest before I fiddled with the lower limb.
That is called the "walk back method", Never heard of that being called the "supertune"
As far as up and down - shooting at a horizontal line I would micro-adjust my nocking point/rest before I fiddled with the lower limb.
11-06-2002, 09:39 PM
#25
Fork Horn
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
Kind of sorry I asked. As for my motivation for worrying about groups at 40-60 yards, it's because I'm a competitor. I cant stand when the guy shooting next to me pulls three arrows out with one hand and I'm plucking them from around the sweet spot. Even if he has a scope, back tension release, eye patch and stabilizer "out to here" and I'm shooting my hunting rig (my only rig) I want to shoot better than him/her regardless of distance. I know my limits for hunting based on my ability so I have no illusions of a 40 yd kill shot. But when I go to the range I want to crush my friends and anyone else with a bow!
Thanks PW12 and Black Frog for answering the question.
Cargo
Thanks PW12 and Black Frog for answering the question.
Cargo
11-07-2002, 05:28 AM
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
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I know my limits for hunting based on my ability so I have no illusions of a 40 yd kill shot. But when I go to the range I want to crush my friends and anyone else with a bow!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I love that attitude! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
I know my limits for hunting based on my ability so I have no illusions of a 40 yd kill shot. But when I go to the range I want to crush my friends and anyone else with a bow!<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I love that attitude! <img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-07-2002, 07:27 AM
#27
Fork Horn
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
Cargo-
ahhhhhhh!! The sweet sound of motivation!
Good for you.
Like I mentioned before, you might want to try field spot shooting if you haven't already. It sounds to me like you're the type of person that would love it. Shooting groups at ALL distances out to 80yds. Check around at your local clubs to see if they offer a league for that-
Best of luck-
ahhhhhhh!! The sweet sound of motivation!
Good for you. Like I mentioned before, you might want to try field spot shooting if you haven't already. It sounds to me like you're the type of person that would love it. Shooting groups at ALL distances out to 80yds. Check around at your local clubs to see if they offer a league for that-
Best of luck-
11-07-2002, 01:00 PM
#28
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
There is a constant argument presented, that if you can hit and group at a much greater distance than will/should be shot at a deer, one's confidence soars and (paraphrased) "..all other shots at a much lesser distance becomes a "piece of cake." Of the many absurd and unrealistic statements commonly made here, that advice and belief takes the "whole cake."
Whenever I add my 2-cents -sometimes 5-cents, I am primarily addressing the novice and average shooters, and primarily for the purpose of assisting them to initially develop the necessary (basic) knowledge and skills for bowhunting, and the appropriate bowhunting mentality. My sole objective, as it should be with all bowhunters, is to reduce the number of deer that are lost because of a bad shot indisputably caused by the shooter, or their gear, or both.
I am not disputing that confidence is an essential element that enables some people to be better at what they do. However, there is such a thing as "overconfidence" and "misguided confidence." I am also not disputing that there are valid reasons for some shooters to develop the skill and confidence to hit the mark at distances considered greater than realistic and appropriate for hunting conditions e.g., 3D competition, clouting, field archery, etc.
There, however, can be a downside to advocating that it is beneficial that all bowhunters learn to hit the mark at distances that is greater than necessary. Novice and average shooters who eventually develop the skill to hit the mark at a greater distance than is needed, or a distnace that is appropriate and realistic for hunting purposes, but do not constantly practice or do not consistently hit the mark, are likely to aquire "overconfidence" or a "misguided confidence" of their abilities and their gear's capabilities for hunting conditions. This is a shooter whom is apt to take a shot at a distance that was totally inappropriate, resulting in a wounded and lost deer.
I have shot "field archery" and know I can tune my gear and myself to hit the mark at distances greater than what is appropriate for hunting purposes. Do I still shoot-in at those distances for a "just in case" situation? No! The primary reason I do not is that to do so is wasted time and effort. Why should I spend the time, and sometimes deal with the frustration, to setup and tune my gear and tune myself to hit the mark at a distance that I will/would never shoot while in the field?
My gear, my form, and my mental conditioning are tuned to hit precisely where I aim, up to 35-yards. I use one pin set for 25-yards. I know exactly the "Kentucky elevation" for all distances greater than 25-yards up to 35-yards. Why do I limit my practice and setup to 35-yards? Because in the area I hunt, and in accordance with appropriateness, 35-yards is the maximum yardage I will shoot to avoid (just) wounding and loosing a deer. Barring Murphy's presence, I have total confidence I can make the shot, even though I do not shoot 80-yard targets.
Dependant upon the capability of the gear and the shooter, beyond a certain distance there are common and inconsistent forces that come into play that can and will affect the flight of the shaft and your accuracy on target. A novice and average shooter not understanding what these forces are, or that they are **"clenching" their form because the distance is stressing them, will begin to make, and keep making, adjustments in their gear and in their form that is unrelated to the long-distance bad shot they just made. Before long, their entire setup is out of proper adjustment and now they are not confident about their form, whether they ever had good form, have great difficulty getting back their form, and begin to suspect that their gear is junk. I have seen it happen more than once. I am
also aware that some shooters will become so frustrated with adjusting and readjusting their gear and their form, they just go into the field with what they have and hope that luck is with them.
[i]** The term "clenching" is what we used to use to describe what a shooter does when under stress (target panic). I have seen it (clenching), and I know many other shooters have seen it, even experienced it.[/I[
The shooter's entire body begins to become rigid, their muscles tighten, they hold the bow tightly, their bow arm goes out rigidly straight, their bow shoulder rises to their jaw, they start to hunch or lean back, their eyes begin to squint, they open their mouth, their string arm begins to creep, and they punch the release. I have witnessed some to actually close their eyes at the time of release.
All this to learn to shoot at a greater distance than is necessary, a distance you will not shoot, and a distance you should not shoot? I think not!
If being able to hit the mark at 60, 70, 80-yards could actually provide the confidence and ability to make closer shots a "piece of cake," then, setting up your gear, acquiring your form, and constantly practicing to shoot only at the maximum distance you will ever shoot should be so easy, all you would have to do is hand your bow to the deer and let them commit suicide.
I spend my time and effort, and instruct others, to setup their gear and practice at the maximum distance they will shoot in accordance with their abilities, give or take 5-yards. Rather than wasting time and effort setting up and practicing shooting at distances that are unrealistic, I spend time practicing to shoot through, above, and under, minor obstacles. One of the payoffs of conditioning myself not to be intimidated by minor obstacles, and learning to shoot past or around them, is that when I setup my stands or ground blinds, you, or deer, will hardly notice any cutting.
Last Saturday, from a ground blind, at 24-yards I downed an 8-point buck, having hit him precisely where I aimed. I had to shoot through 7" wide "Y" branch that was in a small opening. Had I not practiced these types of shots under said conditions, I would not have had the skill and confidence to make the shot. On the other hand, if my confidence was out of proportion with my skills, I might have taken the shot only to have blown the shot or wounded the buck but never recovered him.
Learn to shoot and hit the mark at 80-yards if doing so is your bag. I will setup my gear and spend my time learning to be consistently accurate at the maximum distance I will ever shoot while hunting deer. Rather than waste time on the impractical, I use the time to learn and practice shooting under as many conditions as I know I can be confronted with in the field.
Some might wax my butt at 60, 70, 80-yards on a target range, but in the "boonies," I might just leave some whimpering and babbling to themselves.
PS:
Being that Cargo had to ask the question he did, is an indicator that he is a novice or a skilled but average shooter. I mistakenly thought he was trying to ready himself specifically for bowhunting and bowhunting conditions. I now see he was trying to find out how to dust butt on a "target range." Big difference.
Edited by - c903 on 11/07/2002 17:57:08
Whenever I add my 2-cents -sometimes 5-cents, I am primarily addressing the novice and average shooters, and primarily for the purpose of assisting them to initially develop the necessary (basic) knowledge and skills for bowhunting, and the appropriate bowhunting mentality. My sole objective, as it should be with all bowhunters, is to reduce the number of deer that are lost because of a bad shot indisputably caused by the shooter, or their gear, or both.
I am not disputing that confidence is an essential element that enables some people to be better at what they do. However, there is such a thing as "overconfidence" and "misguided confidence." I am also not disputing that there are valid reasons for some shooters to develop the skill and confidence to hit the mark at distances considered greater than realistic and appropriate for hunting conditions e.g., 3D competition, clouting, field archery, etc.
There, however, can be a downside to advocating that it is beneficial that all bowhunters learn to hit the mark at distances that is greater than necessary. Novice and average shooters who eventually develop the skill to hit the mark at a greater distance than is needed, or a distnace that is appropriate and realistic for hunting purposes, but do not constantly practice or do not consistently hit the mark, are likely to aquire "overconfidence" or a "misguided confidence" of their abilities and their gear's capabilities for hunting conditions. This is a shooter whom is apt to take a shot at a distance that was totally inappropriate, resulting in a wounded and lost deer.
I have shot "field archery" and know I can tune my gear and myself to hit the mark at distances greater than what is appropriate for hunting purposes. Do I still shoot-in at those distances for a "just in case" situation? No! The primary reason I do not is that to do so is wasted time and effort. Why should I spend the time, and sometimes deal with the frustration, to setup and tune my gear and tune myself to hit the mark at a distance that I will/would never shoot while in the field?
My gear, my form, and my mental conditioning are tuned to hit precisely where I aim, up to 35-yards. I use one pin set for 25-yards. I know exactly the "Kentucky elevation" for all distances greater than 25-yards up to 35-yards. Why do I limit my practice and setup to 35-yards? Because in the area I hunt, and in accordance with appropriateness, 35-yards is the maximum yardage I will shoot to avoid (just) wounding and loosing a deer. Barring Murphy's presence, I have total confidence I can make the shot, even though I do not shoot 80-yard targets.
Dependant upon the capability of the gear and the shooter, beyond a certain distance there are common and inconsistent forces that come into play that can and will affect the flight of the shaft and your accuracy on target. A novice and average shooter not understanding what these forces are, or that they are **"clenching" their form because the distance is stressing them, will begin to make, and keep making, adjustments in their gear and in their form that is unrelated to the long-distance bad shot they just made. Before long, their entire setup is out of proper adjustment and now they are not confident about their form, whether they ever had good form, have great difficulty getting back their form, and begin to suspect that their gear is junk. I have seen it happen more than once. I am
also aware that some shooters will become so frustrated with adjusting and readjusting their gear and their form, they just go into the field with what they have and hope that luck is with them.
[i]** The term "clenching" is what we used to use to describe what a shooter does when under stress (target panic). I have seen it (clenching), and I know many other shooters have seen it, even experienced it.[/I[
The shooter's entire body begins to become rigid, their muscles tighten, they hold the bow tightly, their bow arm goes out rigidly straight, their bow shoulder rises to their jaw, they start to hunch or lean back, their eyes begin to squint, they open their mouth, their string arm begins to creep, and they punch the release. I have witnessed some to actually close their eyes at the time of release.
All this to learn to shoot at a greater distance than is necessary, a distance you will not shoot, and a distance you should not shoot? I think not!
If being able to hit the mark at 60, 70, 80-yards could actually provide the confidence and ability to make closer shots a "piece of cake," then, setting up your gear, acquiring your form, and constantly practicing to shoot only at the maximum distance you will ever shoot should be so easy, all you would have to do is hand your bow to the deer and let them commit suicide.
I spend my time and effort, and instruct others, to setup their gear and practice at the maximum distance they will shoot in accordance with their abilities, give or take 5-yards. Rather than wasting time and effort setting up and practicing shooting at distances that are unrealistic, I spend time practicing to shoot through, above, and under, minor obstacles. One of the payoffs of conditioning myself not to be intimidated by minor obstacles, and learning to shoot past or around them, is that when I setup my stands or ground blinds, you, or deer, will hardly notice any cutting.
Last Saturday, from a ground blind, at 24-yards I downed an 8-point buck, having hit him precisely where I aimed. I had to shoot through 7" wide "Y" branch that was in a small opening. Had I not practiced these types of shots under said conditions, I would not have had the skill and confidence to make the shot. On the other hand, if my confidence was out of proportion with my skills, I might have taken the shot only to have blown the shot or wounded the buck but never recovered him.
Learn to shoot and hit the mark at 80-yards if doing so is your bag. I will setup my gear and spend my time learning to be consistently accurate at the maximum distance I will ever shoot while hunting deer. Rather than waste time on the impractical, I use the time to learn and practice shooting under as many conditions as I know I can be confronted with in the field.
Some might wax my butt at 60, 70, 80-yards on a target range, but in the "boonies," I might just leave some whimpering and babbling to themselves.
PS:
Being that Cargo had to ask the question he did, is an indicator that he is a novice or a skilled but average shooter. I mistakenly thought he was trying to ready himself specifically for bowhunting and bowhunting conditions. I now see he was trying to find out how to dust butt on a "target range." Big difference.
Edited by - c903 on 11/07/2002 17:57:08
11-07-2002, 05:30 PM
#29
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kenosha, Wi USA
Posts: 499
RE: How exactly do you group tune?
c903-
If you don't think that when an archer starts practicing at longer distances and sees the progress of better tuning and better grouping that their confidence in their ability is NOT increased- you're nuts. Plain and simple. And if you don't think that when an archer can CONSISTENTLY group well at all distances that it doesn't make a 20yd shot look easier- you're nuts. And if that's the case, there's no need to continue this conversation.
There are more than just NOVICE shooters that are browsing these boards. And this board is NOT just about bowhunting- it is titled "Technical", not Technical Bowhunting. You are approaching this issue from the angle of people shooting a bow to harvest a deer. I am approaching this issue from the angle of people shooting a bow as ARCHERS, not just bowhunters. People that like to do it for fun and enjoyment. People that want to shoot all year around for the enjoyment of the sport, bettering themselves, and their abilities.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Why should I spend the time, and sometimes deal with the frustration, to setup and tune my gear and tune myself to hit the mark at a distance that I will/would never shoot while in the field?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
My point exactly. Because you are more interested in bowhunting than in archery itself. Not that that is a bad thing, but people should realize your slant on the situation. There is so much more to shooting a bow than just bowhunting.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Novice and average shooters who eventually develop the skill to hit the mark at a greater distance than is needed, or a distnace that is appropriate and realistic for hunting purposes, but do not constantly practice or do not consistently hit the mark, are likely to aquire "overconfidence" or a "misguided confidence" of their abilities and their gear's capabilities for hunting conditions. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I couldn't disagree with that statement more. A shooter who can not cosistently hit the mark will not be developing "overconfidence". Hardly. If a shooter doesn't practice enough- they won't be hitting the mark either- and certainly won't be subject to "misguided confidence". For anyone that has practiced their hunting ranges quite often, and then tries their hand out at longer ranges- it is humbling. Very humbling. And instantly I see the motivation in them to improve that. I see interest in wanting to know how to better themselves, their gear, their results.
I'm glad you have total confidence using your methods. As do I using my methods. I never said that my way is the best, but just be open to giving it a try. You on the other hand have labled the idea of possibly wanting to be an ARCHER instead of just a BOWHUNTER as "absurd and unrealistic". I would like to further our sport of ARCHERY, not just bowhunting, to more people, and not limit them or their abilities. Plant the seed of motivation and interest and watch it grow instead of telling them that the world ends at 30yds.
Edited by - Black Frog on 11/07/2002 22:27:42
If you don't think that when an archer starts practicing at longer distances and sees the progress of better tuning and better grouping that their confidence in their ability is NOT increased- you're nuts. Plain and simple. And if you don't think that when an archer can CONSISTENTLY group well at all distances that it doesn't make a 20yd shot look easier- you're nuts. And if that's the case, there's no need to continue this conversation.
There are more than just NOVICE shooters that are browsing these boards. And this board is NOT just about bowhunting- it is titled "Technical", not Technical Bowhunting. You are approaching this issue from the angle of people shooting a bow to harvest a deer. I am approaching this issue from the angle of people shooting a bow as ARCHERS, not just bowhunters. People that like to do it for fun and enjoyment. People that want to shoot all year around for the enjoyment of the sport, bettering themselves, and their abilities.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Why should I spend the time, and sometimes deal with the frustration, to setup and tune my gear and tune myself to hit the mark at a distance that I will/would never shoot while in the field?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
My point exactly. Because you are more interested in bowhunting than in archery itself. Not that that is a bad thing, but people should realize your slant on the situation. There is so much more to shooting a bow than just bowhunting.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Novice and average shooters who eventually develop the skill to hit the mark at a greater distance than is needed, or a distnace that is appropriate and realistic for hunting purposes, but do not constantly practice or do not consistently hit the mark, are likely to aquire "overconfidence" or a "misguided confidence" of their abilities and their gear's capabilities for hunting conditions. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
I couldn't disagree with that statement more. A shooter who can not cosistently hit the mark will not be developing "overconfidence". Hardly. If a shooter doesn't practice enough- they won't be hitting the mark either- and certainly won't be subject to "misguided confidence". For anyone that has practiced their hunting ranges quite often, and then tries their hand out at longer ranges- it is humbling. Very humbling. And instantly I see the motivation in them to improve that. I see interest in wanting to know how to better themselves, their gear, their results.
I'm glad you have total confidence using your methods. As do I using my methods. I never said that my way is the best, but just be open to giving it a try. You on the other hand have labled the idea of possibly wanting to be an ARCHER instead of just a BOWHUNTER as "absurd and unrealistic". I would like to further our sport of ARCHERY, not just bowhunting, to more people, and not limit them or their abilities. Plant the seed of motivation and interest and watch it grow instead of telling them that the world ends at 30yds.
Edited by - Black Frog on 11/07/2002 22:27:42
11-07-2002, 06:31 PM
#30
Nontypical Buck
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RE: How exactly do you group tune?
I've been leery to post on this thread as I find some of the posters rather ignorant .
So, I have only this to say to Cargo
1) You will go nowhere, stagnate, and eventually decline in ability if you decide to rest on your laurels.
2) You have my respect for having the desire to improve yourself. A huge percentage of archers regardless of what they are shooting at could use an attitude like yours!
3) In addition, Pinwheel's tuning advice is sound. Use it.
JeffB
So, I have only this to say to Cargo
1) You will go nowhere, stagnate, and eventually decline in ability if you decide to rest on your laurels.
2) You have my respect for having the desire to improve yourself. A huge percentage of archers regardless of what they are shooting at could use an attitude like yours!
3) In addition, Pinwheel's tuning advice is sound. Use it.
JeffB