Diamond versus Bowtech
11-04-2002, 06:55 PM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
DaveC
My hunting partner purchased the Diamond Hornet this year from Diamond Archery in Shreveport,LA and absolutely loves the bow. He said he tried a few differnet bows and he fell in love with the Hornet. The bow shop had a very good assortment to choose from and that is the one he picked. He said it is a very fast, quiet and accurate bow. He has killed 2 deer with it so far.
My hunting partner purchased the Diamond Hornet this year from Diamond Archery in Shreveport,LA and absolutely loves the bow. He said he tried a few differnet bows and he fell in love with the Hornet. The bow shop had a very good assortment to choose from and that is the one he picked. He said it is a very fast, quiet and accurate bow. He has killed 2 deer with it so far.
11-04-2002, 07:21 PM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Way too much emphasis being put on this dampening "trend" we're going thru, IMHO<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Pinwheel, that's an interesting opinion. I don't have 30+ years in the archery industry, but I do have 30+ years in this bowhunting thing, and my gut feeling is (dont' have one of those crystal balls
) that hunters love quiet and no hand shock in their bows. Can't even imagine myself going to a nosier bow with more vibration just so I can improve my groups by a half an inch. No, dampening is not a trend in my opinion. My money's not only betting it's here to stay, it's betting that it gets even better. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Pinwheel, that's an interesting opinion. I don't have 30+ years in the archery industry, but I do have 30+ years in this bowhunting thing, and my gut feeling is (dont' have one of those crystal balls
) that hunters love quiet and no hand shock in their bows. Can't even imagine myself going to a nosier bow with more vibration just so I can improve my groups by a half an inch. No, dampening is not a trend in my opinion. My money's not only betting it's here to stay, it's betting that it gets even better. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-05-2002, 04:38 AM
#44
Typical Buck
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
Straightarrow-
I do agree with you in that quietness and lack of shock and vibration will continue to evolve as time goes on. What I was commenting on is how it all of a sudden has become this "big thing" when we've been taking game for many years with compounds, and few ever complained much about shock until the introduction of shorter ATA, ultra-light cutout-riser rigs with ultra light split limbs and either a 6" brace height and a pair of super aggressive cams, or a single cam that you cannot time to be in synch with anything and that has a nasty draw force curve that of course emits alot of shock at the shot because of it's force curve with no way to "balance it out" and quiet it down. To me, that is a "fad", and the "trend" that has developed from it is what we see today in the huge quest to tame them. "Trend" developed from a "fad" IMO. Maybe I simply worded it incorrectly, but that is basically what I was looking at.
Of course quieter bows will continue to evolve as newer materials are developed and the industry finds better ways to transfer energy, no arguement there. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
I do agree with you in that quietness and lack of shock and vibration will continue to evolve as time goes on. What I was commenting on is how it all of a sudden has become this "big thing" when we've been taking game for many years with compounds, and few ever complained much about shock until the introduction of shorter ATA, ultra-light cutout-riser rigs with ultra light split limbs and either a 6" brace height and a pair of super aggressive cams, or a single cam that you cannot time to be in synch with anything and that has a nasty draw force curve that of course emits alot of shock at the shot because of it's force curve with no way to "balance it out" and quiet it down. To me, that is a "fad", and the "trend" that has developed from it is what we see today in the huge quest to tame them. "Trend" developed from a "fad" IMO. Maybe I simply worded it incorrectly, but that is basically what I was looking at.
Of course quieter bows will continue to evolve as newer materials are developed and the industry finds better ways to transfer energy, no arguement there. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12
11-05-2002, 05:20 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>... or a single cam that you cannot time to be in synch with anything... <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Eventually you are going to have to admit that traditional single cam bows have their place and though they cannot be fine tuned with another cam that does not make them inferior....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
Eventually you are going to have to admit that traditional single cam bows have their place and though they cannot be fine tuned with another cam that does not make them inferior....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-05-2002, 05:58 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
No way! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> They will disappear from the face of the earth long before I ever state such a thing! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle> <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
In fact, with all of the "hubub" now focusing on the hybrid offerings, I say give it another 3-5 years, and the conventional solo will all be but forgotten. (that's what the crystal ball says, anyway!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)
Like I've said before, if they keep on upgrading the solocam, they will re-invent the twin cam! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> HMMM, the new Hoyt Hybrid definately looks like it's heading into that direction, don't you think?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Have a great day! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pinwheel 12
In fact, with all of the "hubub" now focusing on the hybrid offerings, I say give it another 3-5 years, and the conventional solo will all be but forgotten. (that's what the crystal ball says, anyway!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>)
Like I've said before, if they keep on upgrading the solocam, they will re-invent the twin cam! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> HMMM, the new Hoyt Hybrid definately looks like it's heading into that direction, don't you think?<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> Have a great day! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> Pinwheel 12
11-05-2002, 06:27 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
I'd have to agree with Pinwheel on this one. If the "hybrids" can be made to shoot as quietly as a good single cam, then their other advantages will probably doom the single cam as it now exists. However, twin cams as they now exist, will not. Average hunters are the ones who dominate the market and they are not bow savy to the point where they know much about creep tuning, or cam synchronization. They will make choices based on the obvious, which will be what they hear and feel. A single cam that sits in the closet all but 2 months a year will probably shoot better groups than a similarly used twin cam that has never been tuned. For sure, it will sound better doing it.
11-05-2002, 07:27 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
I cannot argue with that logic Straightarrow and, to give you a little preview, the Hoyt Hybrid is just as quiet and vibration free a their previous single cam designs. If it wasn't then I wouldn't be using it for hunting.
I do not believe that the conventional solocams will fade from existance. There are some advantages to the design most notably the lack of synchronization issuess and the overall quietness and low level of vibration. I do not disagree that the hybrid designs will dominate because they offer the best of both worlds but I still think we will see both dual and single cam designs for many years to come.
Oh, so the Swammie says....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
I do not believe that the conventional solocams will fade from existance. There are some advantages to the design most notably the lack of synchronization issuess and the overall quietness and low level of vibration. I do not disagree that the hybrid designs will dominate because they offer the best of both worlds but I still think we will see both dual and single cam designs for many years to come.
Oh, so the Swammie says....<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>
11-05-2002, 07:44 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
I just want to add one tid bit here. I don't even think the "it doesn't matter how fast you go past" statement is even valid. We are talking about hunting bows and our effective target is the size of a pie plate and there ain't no X's on it. I don't keep up with 3D at all either but haven't the solocam guys been kicking @ss and taking names for the last few years. Now I am not saying that solos are superior to twins I am just saying that someone needs to tell the Pros how inferior they are bacause apparently they don't know. The bottom line is that anyone that can't take any well tuned bow on the market today and hit the vitals on deer size game consistently in hunting situations needs to point to the man behind the bow not the bow itself. So my question is why do you have to "go past" just because you shoot a fast bow. If you can take your bow(whatever it is) that you shoot perfect 3D rounds with and then double lung deer everytime and I take my "speed" bow and double lung them everytime then I would have to say the point is moot, a non-sequitor, it's like putting an elevator in an outhouse it just don't fit.
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Edited by - silentassassin on 11/05/2002 08:48:30
Protect your hunting rights, "Spay or neuter a liberal."
Edited by - silentassassin on 11/05/2002 08:48:30
11-05-2002, 08:09 AM
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RE: Diamond versus Bowtech
SA-
Let me give you an update on "Pros" and what they shoot. Pros that compete in Archery tournaments go where the money is. And, they can win with most any bow, twin, solo, hybrid, whatever. BUT, the manufacturers know that people buy whatever the Pros shoot, so they try their best to make sure they have a nice Staff of winning shooters. Mathews was the dominant force in 3D in recent years because they hired the best shooter in the World. Kinda tough to beat that when you have all the best shooting for you! Hoyt is now catching up to them because they have now got alot of top Pros shooting for them now. Having won and IBO World Championship myself, and knowing alot of the past and current Pros, I can tell you safely and honestly that this is fact.
That's the story on that issue. Pinwheel 12
Let me give you an update on "Pros" and what they shoot. Pros that compete in Archery tournaments go where the money is. And, they can win with most any bow, twin, solo, hybrid, whatever. BUT, the manufacturers know that people buy whatever the Pros shoot, so they try their best to make sure they have a nice Staff of winning shooters. Mathews was the dominant force in 3D in recent years because they hired the best shooter in the World. Kinda tough to beat that when you have all the best shooting for you! Hoyt is now catching up to them because they have now got alot of top Pros shooting for them now. Having won and IBO World Championship myself, and knowing alot of the past and current Pros, I can tell you safely and honestly that this is fact.
That's the story on that issue. Pinwheel 12