NEW61375

I HOPE THEY DO A NEW SURVEY HERE IN VIRGINIA TO ALLOW US TO HUNT ON SUNDAY. I SAW SOME POSTS ON IT EARLIER IN THE WEEK. HERES THE ONLY QUESTION I'VE EVER HAD ABOUT THIS TOPIC IS WHY CAN I FISH ON SUNDAY, HIKE ON SUNDAY, MOUNTAIN CLIMB ON SUNDAY, GO TO ALL THE STATE PARKS ON SUNDAY, DO ANY OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITY KNOWN TO MAN ON SUNDAY, BUT I CAN'T HUNT ON SUNDAY?! THAT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE ODD. ECSPECIALLY CONSIDERING HOW MUCH HUNTER DOLLARS ARE CONTRIBUTED EVERY YEAR. MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REVAMP THE LIMITS OR CHANGE THE REGULATIONS TO COMPENSATE FOR THE INCREASE IN THE HARVEST. BUT IM SURE THERE IS SOMEONE GETTING PAID TO FIGURETHINGS LIKE THAT OUT. THEN AGAIN, I'M JUST A DUMB OLD COUNTRY BOY AND I AINT TOO MUCH ON BOOK LEARNIN AND STUFF.

rick64

NEW61375, What part of the state do you live in? Call or write your Gen. Assem. reps, you can get their contact info here:

http://conview.state.va.us/whosmy.nsf/main?openform

If your a member of the VA Farm Bureau or the VA Deer Hunters Assoc., contact them and let them know your position on the ban.
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VAhuntr

Supposedly the VDGIF will conduct a study sometime in the future to determine the intrest in Sunday hunting. We need the backing of the VDGIF to ever get anywhere with the General Assembly.

Solitary Man

I feel for you guys. I live and hunt in Mississippi where it's been legal to hunt on Sunday for at least as long as I've been hunting (I've been hunting since the early 1970's).

rick64

VAhuntr, I think the VDGIF is going to ride the fence. If they think that there's enough support, they may jump on board. The surveys will help, depending on who conducts them and how the questions are worded. The biggest obstacle, from what my delegate and several other people have told me,is the Farm Bureau. They carry a lot of weight in the Gen. Assem. and their position is based on what their local reps are reporting to their leaders and lobbyist.

Rockby

I have to agree that it is a sad state of affairs that I can be made to work overtime on Sundays, yet I am limited to what I can do with my family on the same day!!! I have a 5 year old son who I am trying to teach about hunting and the only day I can do it is on Saturday or when I have to take off work. I believe if I had twice as much time to teach him, he would hopefully learn to be a responsible hunter twice as fast! It would also give us more opportunity to create memories that we could cherish forever!!!
And on the subject of regulations and bag limits, I feel that the change would not be extremely great since I for one would not have to take as much leave from work and would still probably hunt the same amount. But thats just my opinion!!!!!

VAhuntr

rick64,
You are absolutely right about the VDGIF riding the fence. In fact, thats what they have been doingfor years. They always state that the last time a survey was completed, a majority did not approve of hunting on Sunday's. Only time will tell and all we can hope for is eventually it will happen. Interestingly enough North Carolina is dealing with theSunday huntingissue as well. What's even stranger is Virginia Tech is assisting in the survey.

http://www.ncwildlife.org/index.htm

02bhntn

Where is ButchA when you need him. He will give you any information you need. I have been in contact with the members of the committee and the subcommittee that deals with these bills and they will table them and basically kill them in committee without taking any more action. Moseof the committee members are not in favor of thes bills, There have been many in the last few years and the result is the same. Death to Sunday hunting.

This is the letter that I sent to each and every member of the sub committees as well as the Governer himself, the so calls sprtsmans's Gov. It is a little long but a good read:

In the early days of America, so-called blue laws restricted many activities on Sunday. In recent years, however, state governments have recognized that the people’s right to choose for themselves what they do, or don’t do, on Sunday is more consistent with America’s founding principals. Present day bans on Sunday hunting are the last holdouts of these blue laws, and hunters are questioning why they are being treated differently from their fellow citizens.

The majority of hunters will agree that the biggest obstacle to hunting, and the biggest obstacle to recruiting new hunters, is lack of access and opportunity to hunt. By restricting Sunday hunting, states are not only limiting opportunities for today’s hunters but are making it harder to recruit new hunters to carry on our proud heritage. Anti-hunting groups understand this, that’s why they oppose lifting Sunday hunting bans--they don’t want a new generation of hunters to enter the field. This opposition to Sunday hunting is in fact opposition to the future of hunting itself.

Restrictions on Sunday hunting treat hunters as second-class citizens. Other outdoor activities are allowed on Sunday, including fishing, hiking and golf. By restricting hunting and not other activities, state governments are sending a not so subtle message to hunters and non-hunters alike that there is something wrong with hunting, that it isn’t as legitimate an activity. This message ignores the fact that hunters contribute billions of dollars to the benefit of wildlife, both through license fees and excise taxes paid on firearms and ammunition.

There are compelling reasons why Sunday hunting should be allowed:


Sunday hunting has no detrimental effect on wildlife populations. The 43 states that allow some form of Sunday hunting have healthy wildlife populations in those areas that can sustain them. In fact the states with the most abundant game populations allow Sunday hunting. Those states that have recently removed prohibitions on Sunday hunting have not seen a negative impact on game populations. Allowing Sunday hunting will give state wildlife agencies more flexibility in managing populations. The extra day a week for hunting will give the agencies the ability to increase hunting in areas of overpopulation by encouraging hunters to go afield.


The most common reason that hunters stop hunting is lack of hunting opportunity. Hunting opportunities are largely decided by two factors: accessible land and available time. Since most hunters work Monday through Friday, a ban on Sunday hunting cuts their available hunting time in half.


Sunday hunting is an excellent way to recruit new hunters. Many young people have school or athletic obligations on Saturday. Allowing Sunday hunting means that parents can spend time hunting with their son or daughter, passing on a heritage that is so important to America. With the myriad of activities that compete for the attention of young people today, a restriction on Sunday hunting means many of them never take up the sport.


Sunday hunting will bring an economic benefit to many rural areas. Every day that hunters are in the field, they spend money on gas, food, lodging and the dozens of other incidentals that go along with a day’s hunt. The ripple effect of this spending can have a major impact on a rural town or county.


Out-of-state license revenue can grow as a result of Sunday hunting. Few hunters will take extended hunting trips to a state that won’t let them hunt one day of the week. These out-of-state hunters pay higher license fees that benefit the game department and also spend even more money on incidentals than in-state hunters.

Current Sunday hunting bans:

Currently seven states entirely prohibit hunting on Sunday for wild game; they are Delaware, Maine, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Jersey and Connecticut. All of these states have considered legislation to lift the bans in recent years. Repealing the Sunday hunting bans has been actively supported by the wildlife agencies in Maine and New Jersey.

Four states allow limited Sunday hunting: Maryland allows hunting on two Sundays during deer season; South Carolina allows Sunday hunting on private land only; North Carolina allows Sunday hunting on some federal installations; in 2001 West Virginia enacted legislation that allows Sunday hunting on private land, but each county can hold a referendum to ban Sunday hunting; currently 14 counties allow it.

Recently several states have recognized the folly of Sunday hunting bans:

New York: In 1996 New York opened Sunday hunting on three Sundays during deer season. Within five years the law was changed to allow all Sunday hunting, except on specifically designated lands.

Ohio: In 1998 Ohio passed a bill allowing a test of Sunday hunting on public lands for a period of three years. In 2002 the legislature made Sunday hunting permanent without opposition from groups that had concerns when the test began. The state wildlife agency supported the change.

Michigan: Sunday hunting was banned on private land in certain counties, but in 2003, all Sunday hunting closures were repealed. The bill was supported by the state wildlife agency.

None of these states have experienced the horror stories forecast by opponents of hunting. The states continue to have healthy wildlife populations. Hunters continue to behave in a responsible and safe manner. Church attendance remains unchanged. Landowner-hunter conflicts have not increased. In sum, Sunday hunting has had nothing but a beneficial impact on these states and the future of hunting in them.


There have been various arguments offered in support of maintaining the Ban on No Sunday Hunting in Virginia. I wish to supply counter arguments to repeal the Ban.

Argument: If Sunday hunting were allowed, fathers/mothers would spend less time with their families. I.E. Deer season widows.

1) The state has no place in dictating “family time”. This is a personal issue.
2) This Ban does not forbid: Golf, Fishing, NASCAR, NBA, NFL, NHL, or any other “past-time” that could take place on Sunday, thus taking a family member away from “family time”.

Argument: I want to go to church on Sunday. Sunday is a day of rest.

1) Repeal of this Ban would not keep anyone from attending church.
2) The state has no place enforcing/supporting the doctrine of any religion

Argument: Church services would be disturbed or attendance would go down.

1) People attend church on Wednesdays (a legal hunting day) and there has been no conflict.
2) Other states that allow Sunday hunting have not encountered this problem.
3) Religions other than Christianity, which have services on Fridays and Saturdays (legal hunting days), have not encountered this problem.
4) There could be “archery only” zones near places of worship or restricted zones surrounding them.
5) The state has no place ensuring church attendance.

Argument: Farmers and landowners would be forced to allow Sunday hunting on private property.

1) Farmers or landowners can dictate what activities can or cannot be conducted on their property. They simply can write “No Sunday Hunting” into their permission contracts if they so wish. It is law that hunters must carry written permission to hunt private land already.


Argument: It has always been this way.

1) Tradition is not a valid reason for denying a liberty or privilege.
2) It is one, if not the last, of the Blue Laws on the books.

Argument: Deer need a day to rest from the pressure of hunting.

1) There is no valid evidence from other states, that allow Sunday hunting, that the deer are “over-pressured”.
2) Deer are unaware of the days of the week. So they do not ‘know’ that this day is ‘safer’ than any other.
3) Many hunters go out on Sunday to scout, check their stands, cameras and/or feeders. The deer are not aware that the hunters are unarmed.
4) Although there is no study to site for the effects of Sunday hunting in Virginia, conclusions can be drawn from the data in other states.
5) There is light pressure from hunting during the week because many, if not most, hunters work during the week.

Argument: There will be an over-harvest of deer.

1) Although there is no study to site for the effects of Sunday hunting in North Carolina, conclusions can be drawn from the data in other states.
There has not been a negative effect on the deer herd in these states.
2) Few Virginia hunters fill all of their tags. The Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries set the limit of 6 deer per season. An increase in harvest should not drastically effect the herd population based on the present limit.

Argument: We don’t have the money to pay for extra Wardens.

1) Wardens are working on Sundays already. As a whole, they do not get Sundays off any time of the year.
2) We have, in place now, a phone and Internet check-in service. There would not be an increased workload since Sunday check-in is already available.


Argument: I want to walk in the woods on Sunday.

1) If you own your property, do not allow Sunday hunting.
2) There is no hunting in State Parks.


Argument: What good will it do?

1) Opening Sunday for hunting would allow ‘working’ hunters more opportunities to take game. Especially if Saturday is effected by inclement weather or family obligations take precedent.
2) Allowing Sunday hunting would increase the chances of hunters to supply more meat for their families, thus saving them money by extending their food budgets.
3) There would be more use of expendable goods: gasoline, scents, restaurants, and ammunition.
4) There would be increased income to Hunting Preserves and Guides.
5) There would be an increase in out-of-state hunters. This would provide increased income to local economies (Preserves, guides, hotels, gasoline, and restaurants) as well as to the VDGIF by way of an increased number of out-of-state licenses.
6) Increased income for game processors.
7) Opening Sunday to hunting will allow children who have Saturday school or extracurricular activities (football, soccer, and clubs) to hunt. They would not have to choose between the two.
Opening Sunday to hunting would allow hunters more time to enjoy participating in a way of life that many hold dear.

I would like to point out that this issue is not a “deer hunting” only issue. Although deer hunting is often the example argued, there are other game animals in the state.

I hope that you will find these points to be compelling arguments to repeal the Ban on Sunday hunting and therefore join the effort to repeal the Ban. Should you wish to discuss these points or are in need of more information please feel free to contact me.

Thank you for taking the time to consider these points.

ButchA

I'm still here, 02bhntn... I'm still here, fighting hard for all VA Sportsmen. I have been talking to the VDGIF and delegates and congressmen. We will eventually (one of these days) see Sunday hunting, but only in small doses, like how MD, WV, and SC do it (private land only on limited instances). I heard that the Sunday hunting issue is the most difficult, most hardest, thing to get off the old "Blue Laws", that it is next to impossible....