17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
08-09-2005, 11:57 AM
#22
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Pottsvile,Pa
Posts: 143
RE: 17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
My pap has a .17 and its a fun little gun, but i prefer the 22LR. I can get 50 22's for 99cents,but i wouldnt mind owning one. Let him get it,it's his money and choice(u can always give it to me
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08-29-2005, 09:10 AM
#23
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Peebles, Ohio
Posts: 66
RE: 17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
ive seen, heard, and shot a 17 and was impressed with accuracy up to 100yds. . . .but the wind was not blowing, it wasn't sprinkling rain. . .. .
if you're gonna shoot a .17 caliber, then get a pellet gun. ..use free air and pay less for ammo. and no recoil. . ..a 4x tasco scope from wal mart. . .see where i'm going?
i use a.204 ruger caliber in a savage model 12 FV
http://www.savagearms.com/12fvsingleshot.htm
i can pop a squirell at 200yds with a headshot or 6" rise for a barker shot and not have to move for then next kill. all them squirells know is sumthin' over there went boom and . . . .BOOM. . .. .no questions asked, just tree rats in the skillet.
it depends on ammo, a hornady vmax will leave u with a head and a tail if ya screw up and do a body shot, but a winchester jhp will take the head off the body or a barker shot will leave the rat intact. then ya send the dog out to fetch the body. plus, u can then use it on ground hogs, prairie dogs, coyotes, and anything else that cute and fuzzy or is a varmint. hands down a good 22 long rifle will do the trick, but a 204 can do it better if ya know wat ur doing
after all, a 22 is good to plink with a 17 is too expensive to plink with and a 204 is ment to hunt with if ya want to plink get a 22. if ya want to hunt and plink get a 22 if ya want to hunt and kill get a 204
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if you're gonna shoot a .17 caliber, then get a pellet gun. ..use free air and pay less for ammo. and no recoil. . ..a 4x tasco scope from wal mart. . .see where i'm going?
i use a.204 ruger caliber in a savage model 12 FV
http://www.savagearms.com/12fvsingleshot.htm
i can pop a squirell at 200yds with a headshot or 6" rise for a barker shot and not have to move for then next kill. all them squirells know is sumthin' over there went boom and . . . .BOOM. . .. .no questions asked, just tree rats in the skillet.
it depends on ammo, a hornady vmax will leave u with a head and a tail if ya screw up and do a body shot, but a winchester jhp will take the head off the body or a barker shot will leave the rat intact. then ya send the dog out to fetch the body. plus, u can then use it on ground hogs, prairie dogs, coyotes, and anything else that cute and fuzzy or is a varmint. hands down a good 22 long rifle will do the trick, but a 204 can do it better if ya know wat ur doing
after all, a 22 is good to plink with a 17 is too expensive to plink with and a 204 is ment to hunt with if ya want to plink get a 22. if ya want to hunt and plink get a 22 if ya want to hunt and kill get a 204
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08-29-2005, 09:23 AM
#24
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Peebles, Ohio
Posts: 66
RE: 17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
if all you're gonna hunt is squirells, prarie dogs, rat, mice, peaches, apples, coconuts, ect. then get a 17. if you want all that and ground hogs that weight 20lbs+ and coyotes, foxes. . . then get a .204 or larger (but the 204 does everything the 223 does and more) .....i'll post sum pics for you to view and see if u can match them with ur 17 hmr.
08-29-2005, 12:09 PM
#25
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NW of Austin Texas USA
Posts: 11
RE: 17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
I got a Marlin 917V for Father's Day and finally got a scope (Bushnell 4-12x40) on it and sighted it in withHornady XTP 20 grain bullets.
I sighted the rifle in at 100 yards, 3 shot groups could be covered with a nickel, in a wind of less than 5 mph.
After shooting a box of bullets I was sold on the Marlin 917V .17 caliber. This “sweetie” is not very loud, no recoil, fast and fun to shoot!
Next to try this out on some game. While doing a little research on the .17 HMR most of what I heard about this little pill size bullet is it is nothing more than a “hotrod” rabbit, squirrel and short range prairie dog gun.
I was curious to see what it would do.
Next was bullets. There are not a whole lot of bullet choices in .17HMR, but I decided to go with the Hornady XTP 20 grain bullets/. The main reason is I have really good results with Hornady brand ammunition vs. others.
The 20 grain was chosen because I wanted a bullet that would retain most if not all of its weight and would not fragment like the 17 grain polymer tipped bullets.
The Hunt:
Saturday (08-27-05) morning I headed to our lease for some Blackbuck Antelope management with my "Sweet Seventeen."
I am running a little later than I want but manage to get out there before the sun comes up. I head down the dirt road to the pasture that Tammy, my wife, hunts and there was a herd of about 30 Blackbuck Antelope. We all freeze looking at each for a couple of seconds before they break and run and I grab a gun. These critters do not like 4-wheelers in the pastures!
As they all run in different directions one decided to stop and take one last look at what was on the dirt road. I grabbed my range finder and ranged her at 104 yards. I then rested my Marlin 917V .17HMR across my .243 that was in the gun rack (the .243 makes a fine rest in the rack) put the cross hairs dead on the shoulder and squeeze one round off.
The gun made its firecracker “pop” and immediately after that I could hear Thwack!, as the bullet struck its intended target. The antelope kicked its back legs like a bareback horse at a rodeo, then she takes off running. My view was blocked by a mesquite tree, so I was not able to keep her in sight. I waited a couple of minutes and headed into the pasture she was standing in to try and find her. I drove out to where she was standing and made a right turn to follow her path. There she was only about 50 yards from where I shot her.
One down!
After inspecting the shot at the skinning rack I noticed that the bullet went in the right shoulder, thought the top of the heart, both lungs and exited her left side. The bullet stayed in tack and retained its weight.
Later that evening I headed out to locate another Blackbuck doe.
I set up under a big oak tree along a large rock wall.
The antelope usually enter the open field about 100-150 yards from where I sat.
I was going to prone out at the drip line of the big oak tree, but the fire ants were very active. On top of all that the weeds would have blocked my field of view, so I decided just to stand against the tree and wait.
Two Blackbuck Antelope does came from the left and crossed the dirt road. As I was trying to get a good rest the older one saw me move.
She stopped and turned. She was facing me. I found a good “V” in the tree so I jabbed the forearm of the Marlin in the "V" and ranged the antelope. She was 154 yards away.
The gun was zeroed in for 100 yards, but a ballistic calculator I found stated that the bullet would drop about 3.2" for a 150 yard shot. I put the cross hair right on her nose and squeezed the trigger. The "V" provided a very steady rest for the Marlin. The rifle made its "Crack" and I saw the antelope buckle in her tracks. I looked through the scope and she didn’t move. I continued watching for about five minutes and she was motionless.
I headed to my 4-wheeler so I could pick up the second Blackbuck Antelope of the day.
I had a great time in search of these mystical creatures.
After getting her to the skinning rack I inspected the wound a little more in detail. The bullet entered dead center of the throat and exited the spine, taking a small piece with it as well as shattering the vertebra above and below it. Then it entered again in between the shoulder blade. The Hornady XTP 20 grain bullet did a great job on quickly bringing down the Blackbuck Antelope and retaining its weight.
I am impressed with the accuracy of the Marlin 917V and of the accuracy of the Hornady XTP 20 grain bullet.
Pictures of the wounds on the Blackbuck, graphic and bloody.
Entrance Wound of 1st BBA
Wound from Inside Chest Cavity
Wound from Inside Chest Cavity
Heart
Lungs
Entrance Wound of 2nd BBA
Exit Wound
Entrance into the Shoulder Blades
On each Antelope there was very little bruising as with larger calibers.
Here are a couple of pictures of the entrance and exit wounds on a rabbit.
Entrance
Exit
I sighted the rifle in at 100 yards, 3 shot groups could be covered with a nickel, in a wind of less than 5 mph.
After shooting a box of bullets I was sold on the Marlin 917V .17 caliber. This “sweetie” is not very loud, no recoil, fast and fun to shoot!
Next to try this out on some game. While doing a little research on the .17 HMR most of what I heard about this little pill size bullet is it is nothing more than a “hotrod” rabbit, squirrel and short range prairie dog gun.
I was curious to see what it would do.
Next was bullets. There are not a whole lot of bullet choices in .17HMR, but I decided to go with the Hornady XTP 20 grain bullets/. The main reason is I have really good results with Hornady brand ammunition vs. others.
The 20 grain was chosen because I wanted a bullet that would retain most if not all of its weight and would not fragment like the 17 grain polymer tipped bullets.
The Hunt:
Saturday (08-27-05) morning I headed to our lease for some Blackbuck Antelope management with my "Sweet Seventeen."
I am running a little later than I want but manage to get out there before the sun comes up. I head down the dirt road to the pasture that Tammy, my wife, hunts and there was a herd of about 30 Blackbuck Antelope. We all freeze looking at each for a couple of seconds before they break and run and I grab a gun. These critters do not like 4-wheelers in the pastures!
As they all run in different directions one decided to stop and take one last look at what was on the dirt road. I grabbed my range finder and ranged her at 104 yards. I then rested my Marlin 917V .17HMR across my .243 that was in the gun rack (the .243 makes a fine rest in the rack) put the cross hairs dead on the shoulder and squeeze one round off.
The gun made its firecracker “pop” and immediately after that I could hear Thwack!, as the bullet struck its intended target. The antelope kicked its back legs like a bareback horse at a rodeo, then she takes off running. My view was blocked by a mesquite tree, so I was not able to keep her in sight. I waited a couple of minutes and headed into the pasture she was standing in to try and find her. I drove out to where she was standing and made a right turn to follow her path. There she was only about 50 yards from where I shot her.
One down!
After inspecting the shot at the skinning rack I noticed that the bullet went in the right shoulder, thought the top of the heart, both lungs and exited her left side. The bullet stayed in tack and retained its weight.
Later that evening I headed out to locate another Blackbuck doe.
I set up under a big oak tree along a large rock wall.
The antelope usually enter the open field about 100-150 yards from where I sat.
I was going to prone out at the drip line of the big oak tree, but the fire ants were very active. On top of all that the weeds would have blocked my field of view, so I decided just to stand against the tree and wait.
Two Blackbuck Antelope does came from the left and crossed the dirt road. As I was trying to get a good rest the older one saw me move.
She stopped and turned. She was facing me. I found a good “V” in the tree so I jabbed the forearm of the Marlin in the "V" and ranged the antelope. She was 154 yards away.
The gun was zeroed in for 100 yards, but a ballistic calculator I found stated that the bullet would drop about 3.2" for a 150 yard shot. I put the cross hair right on her nose and squeezed the trigger. The "V" provided a very steady rest for the Marlin. The rifle made its "Crack" and I saw the antelope buckle in her tracks. I looked through the scope and she didn’t move. I continued watching for about five minutes and she was motionless.
I headed to my 4-wheeler so I could pick up the second Blackbuck Antelope of the day.
I had a great time in search of these mystical creatures.
After getting her to the skinning rack I inspected the wound a little more in detail. The bullet entered dead center of the throat and exited the spine, taking a small piece with it as well as shattering the vertebra above and below it. Then it entered again in between the shoulder blade. The Hornady XTP 20 grain bullet did a great job on quickly bringing down the Blackbuck Antelope and retaining its weight.
I am impressed with the accuracy of the Marlin 917V and of the accuracy of the Hornady XTP 20 grain bullet.
Pictures of the wounds on the Blackbuck, graphic and bloody.
Entrance Wound of 1st BBA
Wound from Inside Chest Cavity
Wound from Inside Chest Cavity
Heart
Lungs
Entrance Wound of 2nd BBA
Exit Wound
Entrance into the Shoulder Blades
On each Antelope there was very little bruising as with larger calibers.
Here are a couple of pictures of the entrance and exit wounds on a rabbit.
Entrance
Exit
08-29-2005, 03:44 PM
#27
Typical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Central Michigan
Posts: 982
RE: 17HMR, 22LR, .223??????
I loaded up some reduced loads and went to the range, I shot a .35" group with his .223 at 100 yards with 13gr of Blue Dot and a 40grSierraHornet bullet. This is the link to the pics. http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.asp?m=1159994
He just bought the SBE II with comfort tec and I got his .223 tuned right in so he is not going to get the .17 HMR at this time, but perhaps he will get one at a latter time.
He just bought the SBE II with comfort tec and I got his .223 tuned right in so he is not going to get the .17 HMR at this time, but perhaps he will get one at a latter time.
