hardcastonly

what happened to the "handloads.com" web site?
I've used it as a check reference for handload data for several years,now it won,t upload, all the older links too it are not functional.


yeah, theres other sources and Ive got well in excess of a dozen reloading manuals, but its always helpful to have more data too compare!
BTW if you go to use any one manual Id strongly suggest you cross check the printed suggested load data with at least two and preferably 3-5 other manuals at a minimum,
Ive got reloading manuals that date back to the late 1960s all the way up to the newer ones,
the older ones have far less detailed info and,some of the listed loads , in older manuals,
and velocities far exceed whats currently considered safe currently, as testing equipment years back was less precise.
I know WHEN I WAS YOUNGER I thought that all the loads listed were safe and occasionally Id load up something using a load a couple grains lower than the max listed loads assuming it was bound to be safe, only to get excessive pressure signs on occasion,
I've noticed that trend of the loading manuals slowly decreasing the max loads listed over the last 20 plus years, and IM sure its due to better measurements of true pressure the loads produce and CORPORATE LAWYERS, getting to stick a bit more caution into the provided loads that get listed,keep in mind in the past if the rifle didn,t blow up and the brass extracted easily it might have been listed as a safe load, today they can actually measure chamber pressures.
but Id point out that on the plus side the powders are getting better and theres no effective difference in the effect on game if that 250 grain bullet leaves the muzzle at 2800fps or 2900fps

ALWAYS ,ALWAYS CROSS CHECK,
all loads you see on line or in load manuals with at least three ,
and 4-5 different powder and bullet manufacturers manuals,
is much preferred, totally different source, hand-load manuals,
and if the loads listed on line , or in various sources don,t come very close too agreement, with the listed manual load,
ranges in brand and powder charge, theres something wrong.
sure a grain or two may or may not be significant and youll need to work up to max loads slowly,
but if you see a load in one manual 5% or greater,
than the max load in a separate source be very cautious
caution and component consistency are very important too producing safe and accurate ammo.
Ive occasionally seen really erroneous load data posted , and if I was not in the habit of checking against a minimum of three manuals I might have been in serious trouble, but always remember to start low and work up to max loads as on some rifles/hand guns even the manuals are excessive

ou'll need too occasionally buy a new reloading manual simply because the available powder and projectile selection changes over time, and there are occasional mis-prints , cross checking between several manuals will make that rather obvious, you'll always want to cross check any loads listed from at least THREE different sources and start with the starting level loads and work up to what pressure levels your particular gun works best with, and THIS DOES VARY!
if your only loading for a hunting rifle a good single stage press produces very accurate ammo reasonably cheaply

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/51...le-stage-press
Its a good Idea to buy projectiles and powder and primers in larger lots or in bulk, so you have enough on hand for several years, of shooting, once you find what a particular gun likes, because the manufacturers have the nasty habit of either discontinuing or changing specs,on projectiles and powders.
once you find a particular combo that shoots consistent one hole hundred yard groups , its really frustrating to find that particular bullet or powders discontinued!
this may sound like it will cost a great deal, but think about it, most guys will seldom shoot a large game hunting rifle more than 100 or so times a year if that, maybe 40-80 over a years time at the range then 4-6 cartridges actually hunting.
if your loading for something like an AR15 buying in bulk lots of 1000 or more lowers the cost of components slightly, and having a decent progressive reloading press makes sense
Id also watch primers for pressure indications



Stay well below the maximum charges listed in the manuals, and you'll be much safer without significant sacrifice in down-range performance. No micrometer is a reliable pressure gauge. but you certainly will see greater case head expansion over the factory ammo if you load to higher pressure levels so its a tool to keep you out of trouble



https://www.dillonprecision.com/customize-reloader.html
https://www.dillonprecision.com/#/content/p/8/pkg_id/9

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/57...tridge-reloading-9th-edition-reloading-manual

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/106...loading-manual

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/537...ding-manual-14

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/158...loading-manual

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...-Reloading-Manual-2nd-Edition-by-Richard-Lee-

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...cluding-Supplements-Number-1-24-By-Ken-Waters

https://www.google.com/webhp?source...nual+reviews&tbm=shop&spd=619589143 8066969302


as in most things having accurate reference materials helps a great deal







http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

http://www.nosler.com/load-data/

http://www.speer-bullets.com/products/reloading_manual/

http://www.accuratepowder.com/load-data/

http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/load-data/

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/


heres a basic powder burn rate chart, refer to the manuals and always verify in at least three and compare the charge and bullet weights listed




https://www.hornady.com/bullets/rifle/#!/

https://www.sierrabullets.com/produc...lets/rifle.cfm

https://www.speer-ammo.com/en/bullets/rifle-bullets

http://www.bergerbullets.com/products/hunting-bullets/

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/dept/reloading/rifle-bullets

https://www.starlinebrass.com/

https://www.wideners.com/reloading-...308-win-bullets-308-147-grain-fmj-500-reviews

https://www.natchezss.com/reloading/bullets.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/bullets/br?cid=19785

http://palmettostatearmory.com/reloading/bullets.html

http://www.evergladesammo.com/bullets.html

https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...pistol-bullets

https://www.luckygunner.com/reloading-supplies/bullets

http://www.georgia-arms.com/bulk-qua...on-canned-heat

Nomercy448

hardcastonly

what you see as random I see as potentially added reference info,
some member may find helpful,
it rarely hurts to post info others may find useful.
a good deal of what the more experienced guys may take for granted,
is not necessarily well known to the newer practitioners in this hobby.
taking the effort to help others rarely hurts anyone.

Big Uncle

Please do not take offense to the following comments. I find the seemingly endless cut-and-paste and links very tiresome, and that meaningful content gets lost in the clutter. Surely you are being helpful and informative but sometimes "less is more".

I understand that we all have different styles of communication and do not intend to create any hard feelings by expressing my point of view.

Good hunting.

Nomercy448

hardcastonly

your thoughts and opinions are duly noted
no one person makes a web site function or grow,
Ive built and/or moderate several web sites (several with over 100K membership)
why don,t we both try harder to increase the web site traffic,
and increase member participation,I will try to reduce
, posting what you perceive as, non-related info,
and yeah, on every web site theres sure to be people that have a great deal of knowledge,
they can contribute, youve posted near 3200 posts,
why have you not helped mold the web site and decided to help the forum grow, as a moderator?
Im certainly not trying to start a confrontation, but having someone verbally jump on me ,
(or any other member for that matter)
well I find that a bit odd and counter productive to web site growth.

Gm54-120

Yep, when i see a large copy and paste job i read about one sentence and then just scroll down to the other users posts. If someone does it all the time i dont bother reading any of it.

CalHunter

There is a bit of a balancing act when posting. For whatever reason, a lot of the links posted on HNI tend to get broken and not work. HNI doesn't always allow editing the size of pictures which is really annoying, especially on smaller screens. Most people hunting, reloading, shooting, etc. already have access to much of the other information many of us tend to list. What those people do not have access to (other than here at HNI) is our wisdom about those sources gained through lots of experience. That wisdom is one of the first things I look for when reading topics here as I know that somebody else has often spent decades in gaining it and I can learn beyond my own experiences by reading and digesting it, then asking questions if there's something I'm not sure about.

That interaction (being able to ask questions) is perhaps the single biggest benefit at HNI. I can read what NoMercy448 has to say about coyote hunting, building guns or about the many pistols he has tested and carried for CCW. He is a valued resource. I've been a cop since 1990 and obviously have my opinions about different pistols, etc. But I can also understand why someone like NM chose something because he explains his reasoning behind it. Now I'll admit I'm a little biased on Glocks (same system for different pistols is nice for muscle memory) and I think he prefers Rugers but hey, I still get to learn stuff, often without having to spend the money buying that other stuff. FWIW, I still plan on buying a Ruger Redhawk in 44 mag.

One last thing that I've come to realize over the last year is that many members (including several mods) use their phones when logging into HNI. I tried that and found it to be as big PITA, even with reading glasses. Even with the mobile version of the site (which i don't like or prefer), it's still a PITA. Give me a desktop with a huge monitor (where I'm writing this now) and the experience is much easier and preferred. Because of this, I tend to post shorter statements and issues, sometimes breaking things up into different posts. I tend to quote the entire article if I'm talking about an entire article as I realize the links don't often work and, quite frankly, are another PITA to access on a phone because that entail going to a different location and having to load back up the original location at HNI.

It's okay (and actually encouraged) to talk about this stuff as long as nothing is getting personal. We're all going to learn and grow. Otherwise, we'd just be speaking past each other on some keyboard. Okay, I know I'm gonna catch crap for my Ruger comment so flame on.

Nomercy448

Nomercy448