So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
06-17-2003, 05:31 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
Maybe you need to read this ;POLICE OUT OF CONTROL
The following atrocity took place in the small village of Baxter, approximately 8 miles south west of Barrie. If you or a family member has ever fired a rifle for target practice this could have been you or someone you know…
This is a short completely factual account of the events that took place as released by the victim’s lawyer Mr. Ed Burlew LLB. READ IT CAREFULLY.
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ME!!
Account as Released: On Tuesday May 27, 2003 the victim, 29 year old Jonathan Logan, who has never so much as had a speeding ticket, was lawfully hunting groundhogs on a farm field approximately 300 yards from Baxter Public School between the hours of 5:20 pm and 6:00 pm keeping in mind that students at the school had been released more then an hour and he had the permission of the land owner to be hunting within the confines of that property.
THE POLICE INVESTIGATED AND CONFIRMED THE FOLLOWING:
Jonathan Logan was indeed hunting ground hogs on a farmer’s field approximately 300 yards from the school from 5:20 pm to 6:00 pm after school with permission of the farmer where the farmer had asked him to reduce the groundhog population. He was using a registered non-restricted rifle designed for varmit hunting. He was using the said rifle in a safe manner and Mr. Logan is a holder of a valid Ontario Hunting license.
Mr. Logan was not on school property at any time and did not point the rifle at the school, any person or farm animal at any time. The rifle was transported in a safe manner at all times. Mr. Logan stopped hunting when he noticed that children were back at the school playing soccer and it was dinnertime! The police met him at his home and arrested him for charges that were later determined by the police to be groundless and are not being pursued. Note that he met the police as he pulled into his driveway and was arrested as he exited the vehicle having not entered his home. His rifle was in his vehicle, cased and unloaded and being transported safely in his vehicle when he stopped to meet the police. While under arrest for non-existent offenses, thus making the arrest unlawful, he was placed on the ground, had a .223 calibre Ruger Mini 14 pointed at his head by a police officer and was hand-cuffed in a painful method.
Then he was stood up and taken to the trunk area of the police vehicle and strip searched in full public view. His pants were left dangling just above the knees for between 10 to 20 minutes as neighbours and traffic passed by. While under this unlawful arrest the police refused to let him or any other person into him home. The police insisted he sign consent to a search of his home without a warrant. This is significant because his 3-year-old child Joshua is a heart transplant recipient and was due for his hourly feeding and medication, which was kept in the house. The police would not let Mrs. Logan, Jonathan or Jonathans father or any other person into the house to get the food or medication without the police being given consent to search. The police had been shown the stomach tube for the 3-year-old Joshua’s hourly feeding and were also told by Mrs. Logan and Jonathan Logan that all of the firearms in the home were safely stored. The police at that time had no reasonable or probable grounds to believe there was any illegal items in the home or that there was any evidence of an offence in the home. They know Jonathan Logan had broken no law. Jonathan had proof in his wallet that all his firearms were registered. Under the physical duress of having at least a dozen police officers armed with non-restricted, restricted and prohibited firearms and with many shotguns and rifles being pointed by police at all of the Logan’s was coerced by the police into signing a consent to search which he was not allowed to read.
The police then entered the house. Mr. Logan firmly believes his rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be free from unreasonable search and seizure was breached and that the alleged unsafe storage of one unloaded .22 rifle and .22 calibre ammunitions is based on the unlawful police actions. He was taken to the police station and released on a simple recognizance after 6 hours.
Some of the more disgusting and inhuman things that Jonathan was subjected to such as the internal search with rubber gloves and flashlight and the cruel treatment and lewd suggestions made to him when he pleaded with the officers to at least pull up his pants so he was no longer exposed to the members of the public and his young children, had not been included in the original press release but beg to be told. Was this the actions of caring police officers trained and sworn to protect our individual rights or a group of thugs out of control? Ask yourself, “What if it had been me or my Son or Daughter?”
Due to his son’s illness and the time spent at hospital, Jonathan lost his job recently, now he must give police 24 hours notice before starting any new job. Oddly enough once notice is given the potential employers have been visited before he starts work and all perspective jobs fall through!!!
We are all sports men and women and Jonathan is one of our own and he needs our help, both financially and with moral support, to get him through this crisis in his families life. I would hope that the sporting community and all people who want justice served, will help in any way they can, no matter how little, we have strength in numbers. Jonathan is not a terrorist but only a young man involved in a legal activity that we all love. He did not deserve this treatment.
Please help Jonathan and his family find justice… A trust fund has been set up at Mr. Ed Burlews LLB, office: 16 John street, Thornhill, ON, L3T 1X8 (905) 882-2422. Or donations may be dropped of at the Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies Ltd located at 7560 8th con Essa Township RR# 1 Utopia, L0M 1T0, and (705) 424-4867. Receipts will be issued.
Don’t forget it is not just the legal expense that Jonathan will require help with. The day to day needs of his family while his is unable to find work will also have to be though of. Please show your support and express your concerns for Jonathan and his family C/o Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies (at the above address).
Lets wake the sleeping GIANT. Let us show everyone how we feel and how we can stand together for one of our own. Let us show that we are law-abiding citizens of this country and will not allow anyone to treat us with anything but respect, no matter whom they are. Be sure that you send a message, write your local newspapers, radio stations, MP’S, MPP’S, telling them we will not stand for this. Don’t wait for someone else to do it, stand up and be counted; let us all take a stand. We must correct this travesty of justice now or the next time it could be one of us.
Yours in Conservation and Justice,
Staff of Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies Ltd,
Carl, Gary, Tammy and Lynn
The following atrocity took place in the small village of Baxter, approximately 8 miles south west of Barrie. If you or a family member has ever fired a rifle for target practice this could have been you or someone you know…
This is a short completely factual account of the events that took place as released by the victim’s lawyer Mr. Ed Burlew LLB. READ IT CAREFULLY.
THIS COULD HAVE BEEN ME!!
Account as Released: On Tuesday May 27, 2003 the victim, 29 year old Jonathan Logan, who has never so much as had a speeding ticket, was lawfully hunting groundhogs on a farm field approximately 300 yards from Baxter Public School between the hours of 5:20 pm and 6:00 pm keeping in mind that students at the school had been released more then an hour and he had the permission of the land owner to be hunting within the confines of that property.
THE POLICE INVESTIGATED AND CONFIRMED THE FOLLOWING:
Jonathan Logan was indeed hunting ground hogs on a farmer’s field approximately 300 yards from the school from 5:20 pm to 6:00 pm after school with permission of the farmer where the farmer had asked him to reduce the groundhog population. He was using a registered non-restricted rifle designed for varmit hunting. He was using the said rifle in a safe manner and Mr. Logan is a holder of a valid Ontario Hunting license.
Mr. Logan was not on school property at any time and did not point the rifle at the school, any person or farm animal at any time. The rifle was transported in a safe manner at all times. Mr. Logan stopped hunting when he noticed that children were back at the school playing soccer and it was dinnertime! The police met him at his home and arrested him for charges that were later determined by the police to be groundless and are not being pursued. Note that he met the police as he pulled into his driveway and was arrested as he exited the vehicle having not entered his home. His rifle was in his vehicle, cased and unloaded and being transported safely in his vehicle when he stopped to meet the police. While under arrest for non-existent offenses, thus making the arrest unlawful, he was placed on the ground, had a .223 calibre Ruger Mini 14 pointed at his head by a police officer and was hand-cuffed in a painful method.
Then he was stood up and taken to the trunk area of the police vehicle and strip searched in full public view. His pants were left dangling just above the knees for between 10 to 20 minutes as neighbours and traffic passed by. While under this unlawful arrest the police refused to let him or any other person into him home. The police insisted he sign consent to a search of his home without a warrant. This is significant because his 3-year-old child Joshua is a heart transplant recipient and was due for his hourly feeding and medication, which was kept in the house. The police would not let Mrs. Logan, Jonathan or Jonathans father or any other person into the house to get the food or medication without the police being given consent to search. The police had been shown the stomach tube for the 3-year-old Joshua’s hourly feeding and were also told by Mrs. Logan and Jonathan Logan that all of the firearms in the home were safely stored. The police at that time had no reasonable or probable grounds to believe there was any illegal items in the home or that there was any evidence of an offence in the home. They know Jonathan Logan had broken no law. Jonathan had proof in his wallet that all his firearms were registered. Under the physical duress of having at least a dozen police officers armed with non-restricted, restricted and prohibited firearms and with many shotguns and rifles being pointed by police at all of the Logan’s was coerced by the police into signing a consent to search which he was not allowed to read.
The police then entered the house. Mr. Logan firmly believes his rights under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be free from unreasonable search and seizure was breached and that the alleged unsafe storage of one unloaded .22 rifle and .22 calibre ammunitions is based on the unlawful police actions. He was taken to the police station and released on a simple recognizance after 6 hours.
Some of the more disgusting and inhuman things that Jonathan was subjected to such as the internal search with rubber gloves and flashlight and the cruel treatment and lewd suggestions made to him when he pleaded with the officers to at least pull up his pants so he was no longer exposed to the members of the public and his young children, had not been included in the original press release but beg to be told. Was this the actions of caring police officers trained and sworn to protect our individual rights or a group of thugs out of control? Ask yourself, “What if it had been me or my Son or Daughter?”
Due to his son’s illness and the time spent at hospital, Jonathan lost his job recently, now he must give police 24 hours notice before starting any new job. Oddly enough once notice is given the potential employers have been visited before he starts work and all perspective jobs fall through!!!
We are all sports men and women and Jonathan is one of our own and he needs our help, both financially and with moral support, to get him through this crisis in his families life. I would hope that the sporting community and all people who want justice served, will help in any way they can, no matter how little, we have strength in numbers. Jonathan is not a terrorist but only a young man involved in a legal activity that we all love. He did not deserve this treatment.
Please help Jonathan and his family find justice… A trust fund has been set up at Mr. Ed Burlews LLB, office: 16 John street, Thornhill, ON, L3T 1X8 (905) 882-2422. Or donations may be dropped of at the Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies Ltd located at 7560 8th con Essa Township RR# 1 Utopia, L0M 1T0, and (705) 424-4867. Receipts will be issued.
Don’t forget it is not just the legal expense that Jonathan will require help with. The day to day needs of his family while his is unable to find work will also have to be though of. Please show your support and express your concerns for Jonathan and his family C/o Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies (at the above address).
Lets wake the sleeping GIANT. Let us show everyone how we feel and how we can stand together for one of our own. Let us show that we are law-abiding citizens of this country and will not allow anyone to treat us with anything but respect, no matter whom they are. Be sure that you send a message, write your local newspapers, radio stations, MP’S, MPP’S, telling them we will not stand for this. Don’t wait for someone else to do it, stand up and be counted; let us all take a stand. We must correct this travesty of justice now or the next time it could be one of us.
Yours in Conservation and Justice,
Staff of Wolf’s Den Sporting Supplies Ltd,
Carl, Gary, Tammy and Lynn
06-18-2003, 09:29 AM
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RE: So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
Adrian,
I' m glad to see this post here.
I also got this email from Carl at the Wolf' s Den.
I had posted it on the Deerhunting forum because I didn' t know this forum
existed.
This is rediculous.....cops in Ontario ARE getting out of hand.
My friend got pulled over the other day and the cop took his amo belt and all
his amo for no reason but this story of some guy ground hog hunting is too much.
I' m glad to see this post here.
I also got this email from Carl at the Wolf' s Den.
I had posted it on the Deerhunting forum because I didn' t know this forum
existed.
This is rediculous.....cops in Ontario ARE getting out of hand.
My friend got pulled over the other day and the cop took his amo belt and all
his amo for no reason but this story of some guy ground hog hunting is too much.
06-18-2003, 05:28 PM
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Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ontario Canada
Posts: 604
RE: So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
Guess what. I printed this off and took it to my MPP' s office today. He is Jerry Ouellette, our Minster for the MNR. His office told me wow, is that not ridiculous. Then asked me what I wanted them to do, they would do nothing. Said to let the courts to look after it. This really got me upset. How can a Provincial Government sit back and not take anyone to task for the actions that the Police took in this story. They also told me that it was the law and that the police can do that if they feel there is a sufficant threat, all though they they might have over reacted a little .
I do not care if this person was an armed robber, that was no way to treat this person in any case. IMO the officer in charge at the scene should lose there jobs and the other officers should be punished to the maxium.
All it would take is for someone to report your licience to the police and say you had a gun shooting and I guess they would come to your house with guns drawn.
I do not care if this person was an armed robber, that was no way to treat this person in any case. IMO the officer in charge at the scene should lose there jobs and the other officers should be punished to the maxium.
All it would take is for someone to report your licience to the police and say you had a gun shooting and I guess they would come to your house with guns drawn.
06-18-2003, 07:20 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Location: Ontario Canada
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RE: So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
I' ve heard that the OPP have opened a tactical training center near Arthur. An OPP that I know feels that some of the graduates are coming out a little too gungho. The center is aimed at training regular officers to handle a Columbine type situation without a Swat team. As a result when a call comes in about a person near a school with a gun they react very quickly to the situation.
It would be nice to know what the person said that called it in to the police about the hunter.
Dan O.
It would be nice to know what the person said that called it in to the police about the hunter.
Dan O.
06-20-2003, 04:12 AM
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Location: Brampton Ontario CANADA
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RE: So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
[
] Adrian.....the OPP in your neck of the woods sound more like gangsters than cops!!!!!!! [:@] Story sounds rather familiar regarding the OPP' s methods!!!!! Surely this will be thourghly investigated by a completely neutral civilian body....but not likey...[:' (] .probably just another cover up!!!!!!!! [:-] Brampton Mike[8D]
] Adrian.....the OPP in your neck of the woods sound more like gangsters than cops!!!!!!! [:@] Story sounds rather familiar regarding the OPP' s methods!!!!! Surely this will be thourghly investigated by a completely neutral civilian body....but not likey...[:' (] .probably just another cover up!!!!!!!! [:-] Brampton Mike[8D]
07-11-2003, 11:38 AM
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Location: Kitchener, Ontario CANADA
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RE: So the OPP' s (Cop' s) arnt taking things into there own hands !
Hey there,
I just found this on the OFAH (Ontario Fed of Anglers and Hunters) website today. This confirms parts of the story and that an inquiry is taking place. It would be great to see the results of the inquiry.
O.F.A.H. Update
Federation asks Minister to investigate incident in the Village of Baxter Based on information provided, the O.F.A.H. wrote to the Hon. Bob Runciman, Minister of Public Safety and Security on June 19, 2003, asking that the Minister look into an incident involving a local hunter and the Nottawasaga O.P.P. The Minister has asked the Commissioner of the O.P.P. to investigate the circumstances around this incident. The Commissioner responded to the O.F.A.H. on June 26, 2003 and noted that the O.P.P. Professional Standards Branch will undertake an investigation of the event in accordance with the public complaints procedures set out in the Police Services Act.
© 2003 Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters
I just found this on the OFAH (Ontario Fed of Anglers and Hunters) website today. This confirms parts of the story and that an inquiry is taking place. It would be great to see the results of the inquiry.
O.F.A.H. Update
Federation asks Minister to investigate incident in the Village of Baxter Based on information provided, the O.F.A.H. wrote to the Hon. Bob Runciman, Minister of Public Safety and Security on June 19, 2003, asking that the Minister look into an incident involving a local hunter and the Nottawasaga O.P.P. The Minister has asked the Commissioner of the O.P.P. to investigate the circumstances around this incident. The Commissioner responded to the O.F.A.H. on June 26, 2003 and noted that the O.P.P. Professional Standards Branch will undertake an investigation of the event in accordance with the public complaints procedures set out in the Police Services Act.
© 2003 Ontario Federation of Anglers & Hunters
