UMBRELLAS?????
02-26-2002, 11:51 AM
#31
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Centennial CO USA
Posts: 29
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
First and maybe last time I check this forum out. This thread is pretty funny. I think a lot of the problems would be solved if IBO just took Bowhunter out of the name, maybe replace it with McKenzie. It's just tournament shooting at 3-D targets, right? The semantics freaks and whiners would have less to go on that way. You guys have probably beat this dead horse on several threads by now. Good luck!
Tom
Tom
03-02-2002, 08:49 AM
#34
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Goodyear AZ US
Posts: 215
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
The allure of indoor spot shooting is the controlled and contained environment you shoot in. Nothing but you, the bow & the target. No excuses, no influences. The lighting is good, the target is the same as it has been, the yardage is the same etc. It's meditation with a bow in your hand. I like that but I need variety.
Contrast that with 3D. You're outside, in the elements, dealing with them. The lighting is not consistent, the yardage changes and the target looks different too. There’s noise sometimes, dust, rain, sun, no table for your stuff so it’s on your waist. This is brain candy for us shooters. Another challenge to overcome. It's as close to hunting conditions as you get, and with the right amount of pressure it's damn near exact!
The objective of 3D IMO is not to make money for the pro's or advertise brand names with big name shooters. That is a by-product. The objective is to make us better hunters. Isn’t that what 3D started out as? Hunting practice. One shot, one kill. No more wounded white tails that give the sniveling anti-hunting loonies something to march about.
AND FINALLY THE POINT
The pros like the umbrella cause is shields them from the wind (and the sun also sometimes). With that wind and sun it makes it really hard to aim with that scope they're using. They're using that scope because it's the best way to get the highest score, regardless of what it looks like or how unrealistic it would be to hunt with that rig they're carrying around. The guy with the scope on his bow isnt here tuning it for hunting season. They want the highest score because we all know that second place is just the first looser. The first looser doesnt get the press or accolades heaped upon him that the winner does, even if the difference was a single point. "Hey, nice bow. If I get one you think I could come in second too?". Once again a grass roots movement (3D shooting) has been taken over (or at least highly influenced) by a small majority of its members, who happen to have the biggest mouths (read: money and power). This influence is wielded not with the motivation to make the sport better for all but to make it easier for the pro's/open class to use their equipment. Their equipment does not fair well in the outdoors so lets make the outdoors more like indoors. Why don’t we just take it all back inside or why don’t you just take that scope back to the indoor range on windy days. I don’t hear too many finger shooters from the hunters class lamenting over the use of an umbrella. They’re too busy helping me find my arrow.
rant over
Cargo
Contrast that with 3D. You're outside, in the elements, dealing with them. The lighting is not consistent, the yardage changes and the target looks different too. There’s noise sometimes, dust, rain, sun, no table for your stuff so it’s on your waist. This is brain candy for us shooters. Another challenge to overcome. It's as close to hunting conditions as you get, and with the right amount of pressure it's damn near exact!
The objective of 3D IMO is not to make money for the pro's or advertise brand names with big name shooters. That is a by-product. The objective is to make us better hunters. Isn’t that what 3D started out as? Hunting practice. One shot, one kill. No more wounded white tails that give the sniveling anti-hunting loonies something to march about.
AND FINALLY THE POINT
The pros like the umbrella cause is shields them from the wind (and the sun also sometimes). With that wind and sun it makes it really hard to aim with that scope they're using. They're using that scope because it's the best way to get the highest score, regardless of what it looks like or how unrealistic it would be to hunt with that rig they're carrying around. The guy with the scope on his bow isnt here tuning it for hunting season. They want the highest score because we all know that second place is just the first looser. The first looser doesnt get the press or accolades heaped upon him that the winner does, even if the difference was a single point. "Hey, nice bow. If I get one you think I could come in second too?". Once again a grass roots movement (3D shooting) has been taken over (or at least highly influenced) by a small majority of its members, who happen to have the biggest mouths (read: money and power). This influence is wielded not with the motivation to make the sport better for all but to make it easier for the pro's/open class to use their equipment. Their equipment does not fair well in the outdoors so lets make the outdoors more like indoors. Why don’t we just take it all back inside or why don’t you just take that scope back to the indoor range on windy days. I don’t hear too many finger shooters from the hunters class lamenting over the use of an umbrella. They’re too busy helping me find my arrow.
rant over
Cargo
03-03-2002, 06:04 PM
#35
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: TROUPSBURG, N.Y
Posts: 371
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
I'm not sure but I thing the f16cargo has a job working with some of the most technical equipment their is. If I am wrong about this I apologize. If an f16 was equipped like a P-51 what chance would we have in the games that you play now. The game of archery should be for people of all interest not for just a group of people that want to further their own personal agenda. Archers should be working together to promote archery in general. For the most part the people expressing their opinions about the things that they consider to be problems are spending more energy typing than they ever do trying to help their sport.
03-04-2002, 08:53 AM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 2,358
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
3D is NOT about hunting practice. It started that way, but evolved/changed, 3D is not hunting practice any longer, except possibly at the local level for some. It is now another form of target archery for many/most at the national/world level. Without this evolution it would die, the growth this brings is needed, the exposure it brings is needed.
--Bob
03-05-2002, 10:20 AM
#39
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location:
Posts: 520
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
First I don't think 3D is disapearing any time soon, but the way America does sports, full bore free enterprise, does cause problems. I love it, we all love the gear, but if you go back over the last 20 years of shooting the typical cycle is a sport starts out really funky, everyone is equal, everyone competes, then the cost of gear goes up, eventualy it gets so expensive, or in the case of the subject of this thread so silly, that people give up in disgust. I don't really care how the pros shoot, but at some level there is an identity thing going on. If they just look goofy, I ain't buying the T-shirt.
The main thing that has saved archery is that the bows seem the same, we don't have folks spending (or they aren't saying) $60,000 for a custom milled bow. In fact if you just switched the scope and arrowhead off a lot of these pro rigs, and chopped the stabilizer, you could go hunting with most of them. You can pretty much get all the best gear for the price of a Harley paint job. So we are safe for now.
End of ramble.
The main thing that has saved archery is that the bows seem the same, we don't have folks spending (or they aren't saying) $60,000 for a custom milled bow. In fact if you just switched the scope and arrowhead off a lot of these pro rigs, and chopped the stabilizer, you could go hunting with most of them. You can pretty much get all the best gear for the price of a Harley paint job. So we are safe for now.
End of ramble.
03-16-2002, 04:12 AM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: New Stanton PA USA
Posts: 2,213
RE: UMBRELLAS?????
I don`t understand what the big deal is? After reading through all the comments about umbrella`s, I am slightly confused. One poster says if you get behind a pro or semi pro group, you really get held up! I quit shooting the IBO and ASA shoots at the end of the 1997 season, but up until then no other class was on our courses anyhow. Did that change? I guess I`ll find out, because I gonna start shooting this year again. And pinwheel,, you say ten years ago we did`nt use `em! Well, my memory may not be perfect, but at least 8 years ago, I can remember Burly Hall holding umbrellas for people who were shooting against him. That is pretty close to ten years ago. I can also remember carrying around small folding stools to sit on between shots. The arguement that this is a bowhunting org. is null and void, these shoots, other than the fact you are using a bow have nothing to do with hunting.