Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
02-14-2005, 05:08 AM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
It is amazing. All of the complaining and discussion previously and only 4 of us went to the meetings???????
If you attended, lets here how it went.
If you attended, lets here how it went.
02-14-2005, 02:18 PM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
I attended the District 8 meeting in Bath. I thought the DEC did a descent job presenting their data. I thought the crowd was a bit disrespectful though. Not even a tiny bit of applause for the work the DEC did regarding the presentation. I think the general sentiment was an "us against them (dec)" and it shouldn't be that way. With regard to the proposal's I don't have a big problem with them although I'd just as soon have the early MZ season be the first week rather than in the middle of bow season.
02-14-2005, 06:55 PM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
why have a doe season?
why have deer management units?
why do a lot of things?
it's usually an attempt to better control the deer herd and improve hunter satisfaction (or if you listen to some peopel, it is only about greed and insurance companies and irradicating the whitetail deer)
the main reason for the cahnges (as I se it) are just what i said above - help manage the deer herd and improve hunter satisfaction - an additional reason is to give the ML hunters some equity in season (ie - more opportunity to hunt with ML/increased ML season)
why have deer management units?
why do a lot of things?
it's usually an attempt to better control the deer herd and improve hunter satisfaction (or if you listen to some peopel, it is only about greed and insurance companies and irradicating the whitetail deer)
the main reason for the cahnges (as I se it) are just what i said above - help manage the deer herd and improve hunter satisfaction - an additional reason is to give the ML hunters some equity in season (ie - more opportunity to hunt with ML/increased ML season)
02-15-2005, 05:46 AM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
well 5 of us have gone to the meetings
that's a great representation (sad really)
oh well
looks like there are more meetings over the next couple weeks, maybe we'll get some more input???
that's a great representation (sad really)
oh well
looks like there are more meetings over the next couple weeks, maybe we'll get some more input???
02-15-2005, 11:18 AM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
I think the DEC should catch up with the evolution of ML's. They're not primitive weapons anymore! They out shoot most shotguns! Keep Gun Powder and Arrows seperated. Have a Gun Season and an Archery Season only! Get rid of ML season altogether! Just let ML's hunt during Regular Season! Yeah, Sure do you think the DEC will give up the extra revenue? NO! It's a good thing that I'm out of state and can't get to the meetings because I would be making a scene. So one of my fellow sportsman please step up and be a politician and express my view in a civil manner.
Thanks!
Thanks!
02-15-2005, 11:22 AM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
still, one shot is one shot no matter how you look at it.
we can split hairs all day long - simple fact is there IS a ML season and it will be (most likely) expanded - just a matter of how and where - we all need to come to grip with that fact
we can split hairs all day long - simple fact is there IS a ML season and it will be (most likely) expanded - just a matter of how and where - we all need to come to grip with that fact
02-17-2005, 08:58 PM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
I was at the meeting in Cuba, NY this evening. A lot was discussed, but I will try to keep it brief:
1.) Overwhelming consensus with just about everyone not favoring early MZ season. My personal opinion is since 99% people are against it, why are we worry about it? It appears no one will hunt it anyhow. One good point a speaker made was the the DEC admitted it would disrupt the deer for the archery hunters. That is why they were going to have it only last a week, so that the deer would have a chance to settle down before regular season.
2.) A big issue was the DMP (aka Doe permits) would be dramatically reduced next year to boost the deer herd. A DEC spokesman said that 1/2 to 2/3rds of the people who apply for a doe permit in Region 9 next year will be refused. I'm glad I will have preference as a landowner.
3.) DEC admitted that they've never released cougars and never introduced coyotes to NY State.
4.) Another issue was Saturday Opener. One person in the audience was pretty adamant against it because if would conflict with tradition, and the local economy. His take was that a lot of Ham and Turkey raffles held by Volunteer Firehalls would lose business. One big positive of a Saturday Opener was presented by a Cuba-Rushford teacher who was for it due to kids having the opportunity to hunt. Nowadays, kids can not afford to miss school for hunting. My thought was why not make the Monday Opener a holiday for all the schools in Region 9? Doesn't PA kids have off for the Opener?
5.) One speaker was pro QDM and AR. I am 100% against AR. I personally know some of these advocates of QDM and use to hunt with them. I remember these people kill several small bucks a year several years ago when I was lucky to be able to kill 1. I use to cherish any buck I was lucky to get. I remember these gamehogs killing several bucks while I would average 1 every 2 years. Now they are pro QDM??? Screw them! If I have the chance to kill a small buck, it will be harvested. They had their fun, let us have ours. Besides, QDM and AR has never been proven to help the deer herd.
6.) Everyone was for special youth hunts... where is that person on this board against it?
7.) The first speaker was a wildlife biologist. He was very good. I do know he was trying to organize a deer hunters forum for the DEC. I should've taken better notes.
1.) Overwhelming consensus with just about everyone not favoring early MZ season. My personal opinion is since 99% people are against it, why are we worry about it? It appears no one will hunt it anyhow. One good point a speaker made was the the DEC admitted it would disrupt the deer for the archery hunters. That is why they were going to have it only last a week, so that the deer would have a chance to settle down before regular season.
2.) A big issue was the DMP (aka Doe permits) would be dramatically reduced next year to boost the deer herd. A DEC spokesman said that 1/2 to 2/3rds of the people who apply for a doe permit in Region 9 next year will be refused. I'm glad I will have preference as a landowner.
3.) DEC admitted that they've never released cougars and never introduced coyotes to NY State.
4.) Another issue was Saturday Opener. One person in the audience was pretty adamant against it because if would conflict with tradition, and the local economy. His take was that a lot of Ham and Turkey raffles held by Volunteer Firehalls would lose business. One big positive of a Saturday Opener was presented by a Cuba-Rushford teacher who was for it due to kids having the opportunity to hunt. Nowadays, kids can not afford to miss school for hunting. My thought was why not make the Monday Opener a holiday for all the schools in Region 9? Doesn't PA kids have off for the Opener?
5.) One speaker was pro QDM and AR. I am 100% against AR. I personally know some of these advocates of QDM and use to hunt with them. I remember these people kill several small bucks a year several years ago when I was lucky to be able to kill 1. I use to cherish any buck I was lucky to get. I remember these gamehogs killing several bucks while I would average 1 every 2 years. Now they are pro QDM??? Screw them! If I have the chance to kill a small buck, it will be harvested. They had their fun, let us have ours. Besides, QDM and AR has never been proven to help the deer herd.
6.) Everyone was for special youth hunts... where is that person on this board against it?
7.) The first speaker was a wildlife biologist. He was very good. I do know he was trying to organize a deer hunters forum for the DEC. I should've taken better notes.
02-18-2005, 01:21 PM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
I was at the Hamburg meeting and Jim Snider did a great job presenting data as he usually does. I left after the break because I had no interest in participating in the free for all. When ham & turkey raffles have an impact on natural resource management, then we have truly entered a neanderthal age. Is this thinking really any better than the local deer lady? I hunt all over NYS and throughout the Northeast and mid-Atlantic. NY has outstanding hunting opportunities in terms of long seasons, access to public land and tags issued. Why have we created this adversarily atmosphere between hunters and the DEC? The conspiracy theories are reminescent of the X-files. I feel the DEC has done a great job and will continue to work in the best interest of resource conservation. The purpose of taking proposed changes to the public is to determine which changes should be accepted and which should be abandoned. If they only proposed changes that would get easy public support, then real adaptation would never occur and our hunting rights would eventually erode. Good thing DEC policy is based on the thinking of our experienced wildlife biologists and not the guy in charge of the ham raffle at the firehall.
02-18-2005, 02:05 PM
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RE: Post your take on the NY DEC meetings across the state
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I was at the Hamburg meeting and Jim Snider did a great job presenting data as he usually does. I left after the break because I had no interest in participating in the free for all. When ham & turkey raffles have an impact on natural resource management, then we have truly entered a neanderthal age. Is this thinking really any better than the local deer lady? I hunt all over NYS and throughout the Northeast and mid-Atlantic. NY has outstanding hunting opportunities in terms of long seasons, access to public land and tags issued. Why have we created this adversarily atmosphere between hunters and the DEC? The conspiracy theories are reminescent of the X-files. I feel the DEC has done a great job and will continue to work in the best interest of resource conservation. The purpose of taking proposed changes to the public is to determine which changes should be accepted and which should be abandoned. If they only proposed changes that would get easy public support, then real adaptation would never occur and our hunting rights would eventually erode. Good thing DEC policy is based on the thinking of our experienced wildlife biologists and not the guy in charge of the ham raffle at the firehall.
I was at the Hamburg meeting and Jim Snider did a great job presenting data as he usually does. I left after the break because I had no interest in participating in the free for all. When ham & turkey raffles have an impact on natural resource management, then we have truly entered a neanderthal age. Is this thinking really any better than the local deer lady? I hunt all over NYS and throughout the Northeast and mid-Atlantic. NY has outstanding hunting opportunities in terms of long seasons, access to public land and tags issued. Why have we created this adversarily atmosphere between hunters and the DEC? The conspiracy theories are reminescent of the X-files. I feel the DEC has done a great job and will continue to work in the best interest of resource conservation. The purpose of taking proposed changes to the public is to determine which changes should be accepted and which should be abandoned. If they only proposed changes that would get easy public support, then real adaptation would never occur and our hunting rights would eventually erode. Good thing DEC policy is based on the thinking of our experienced wildlife biologists and not the guy in charge of the ham raffle at the firehall.
You do not see the military making top level decisions....even though they are the specialists at it....instead the President makes them.
Hence, having the wildlife biologist make the decisions, would create some poor choices. The best way is a medium where input is offered, and considered. DEC policy is not based solely on the thinking of biologists, but rather a myriad of decision makers.....