BTBowhunter

To use your words:

WRONG!!

Studies show a buck doesnt reach its full potential until 3.5 to 5.5 and that a 1.5 spike can have equal or better genes than some 1.5 8 points.

wingbar

doesn't much matter what genes they carry when a 6 pt, 1.5 yr old is hanging from a meatpole...does it. And hunters in Pa will be patient they'll bide their time till ARs are scraped an spikes are legal once more

livbucks

Probably the biggest influence on the size of a bucks first rack is what point in the fawning season they were dropped the year before. Late comers have less time to grow their bodies and less nutrients will go to antler production. Another factor is nutrition while still in the womb. Over crowding places nutritive stress on the does which affects buck fawn antler development down the line. This is where Alts plan comes in. One aspect of his reasoning was that if we harvested the does before the rut, there would be a more condensed breeding because of the higher number of bucks that could get the job done sooner. this would translate into an earlier drop which would give the fawns a head start the next year. The fawns would go into winter much bigger and healthier, Male and female alike. This in turn would make for MUCH healthier 1.5 year old deer the next year. Too bad the spike hunters turned it into a trophy issue. Yes they would have bigger antlers, but healthier deer do that. Now we could be heading back to the days of the anti-trophy. (spikes)
Everyone knows how healthy a spike must be...."Look at that healthy spike!"

wingbar

liv: I can't honestly say as I recall how healty a spike was or not but I do recall that when mixed with 15% pork trimmings and some seasoning then stuffed in casings those spikes were just as tasty as any rack buck I've killed.........even better if I just came out a some wild pipe stuffings patch with buzz flies in my head!

rybohunter

BTB and liv explained that nicely for me thanks.

There's not enough bucks, AR or not to fill all the buck tags sold too so what does that mean. NOTHING.

So you have used a numerical expression to describe an amount of something your entire life????

You really like to annoy people don't you?????

quiksilver

Yes he does. He is an angry little man.

deaddeer

Can you produce a link to any study that shows that the date of birth is correlated to the number of points a 1.5 buck produces as a 1.5. Are all 1.5 8 pts. born before the 1.5 6 pt. and are all AR legal 5 pts. born before every 1.5 spike? Obviously we are talking about bucks from the same area, which means we can also eliminate the effects of differences in nutrition

The herd in 2 G is now 3 DPSM below it's goal OWDD and it has been at or below it's OWDD gaol since 1989. However, it still has one of the lowest recruitment rates of any WMU and has a higher percentage of 1.5 spikes than many WMU's that are double or triple their OWDD goals.


If the date of birth is the reason why 1.5 bucks are spikes why does it take them three years to simply equal a 1.5 6 or 8 pt. If the spike had superior genes he would be equal in just two years and exceed the 8 pt. in the third year.

Deer902

And before you said you liked AR.
Sounds like your just looking for someone to argue with. Do you even hunt?

deaddeer

Yes, but it is to bad they were wrong.


When discussing scientific der management it is better to rely on the scince of numbers to describe things , rather than relying on personal opinions.
BTW, I agree QS,Alt is an angry little man.

BTBowhunter

proof please, independent proof!

I think I'm beginning to understand some of your number crunching now. If you hit the numbers on your calculator as accurately as you hit the letters on your keyboard it becomes easier to understand your conclusions.
(see above)