alt wants 5 pt zone
#21
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 491
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Actually, Illinois statewide law allows hunters to shoot spikes just like our old regs. Whats good about Illinois is that their hunters recognize the need to let a buck mature and realize his antler potential. They also dont have that ingrained aversion to killing does that we are just starting to see fade away around here.
#22
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren PA USA
Posts: 1,512
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Actually I don't blame the archers in the least, I blame Alt for implementing AR before we even started to reduce the herd.
#23
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Deaddeer, I have been reading your posts in the past weks and personally I am sick of them.[:'(] I for one think Dr. Alt is doing a very good Job. If you think you could do any better then please get a job with the Game Commission and Do what Dr. Alt is doing. All of your ramblings and spinning of existing data to suit your cause sounds just like the nonsense coming from the Idiots of the United Sportsmen of Pennsylvania. If you think you could do any better than they are doing now then you go do the job and then we'll see if you can take the criticism like the Game Commission and Dr. Alt do.
#24
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 491
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
If you believe the results from the new computer model ,there has been no herd reduction in the past five years. Acoording to the PGC ,the concurrent season had no effect, the 1 M anterless tags had no effect and the herd increased by 20% from 1998 and we had 1.6M deer in 2003,more than we have ever had in the history of PA..
#25
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: milford Pennsylvania USA
Posts: 140
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Then what the heck are you complaining about??? Since your numbers tell you the herd is increasing you shouldn't have a complaint. You got more deer and bucks in older age classes.....OOOPPS according to you you don't have any of that either. So according to you the population has increased and the age structure of bucks has remained the same because Alt hasn't been able to change that either. So tell me what is your position. ALt is or is not ruining the deer herd??? According to you he's had no effect. I'd insert a smilely face here, but I'll be damned if I can figure out how to do that!!
Juniorpc.
Juniorpc.
#27
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 491
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Since your numbers tell you the herd is increasing you shouldn't have a complaint.
But here are some points you might want to think about.
1. In 1997 a total harvest of 397K , with an anterless harvest of 220K, kept the OW herd stable.
2. In 2000,when we har 1M PS deer alt said a harvest of 503 K kept the herd stable.
3. In 2001 with a OW herd of 1M a harvest of 486K reduced the OW herd by 8%.
A. Prior to the season they said a harvest of 328K anterless deer was needed to reduce the herd by 5%.
4. The 2002 harvest of 517K deer allowed the OW herd to increase by 1.6%.
5. The 2003 harvest of of 465K kept the herd stable according to Alt.
Now you tell me if you think the herd increased or decreased.
#28
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Tunkhannock, PA USA
Posts: 171
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Oh there goes the numbers again,,,,Pardon me fellows but..........
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OH man, All over the monitor and keyboard again!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry guys gotta get a rag to clean it up......
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OH man, All over the monitor and keyboard again!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry guys gotta get a rag to clean it up......
#30
RE: alt wants 5 pt zone
Doug you wont see a response to DD because any response to DD just gets another deluge of "facts". We've all had it with trying to find anything useful in his barrages.
I admit that I have some unanswered questions about parts of Alt's master plan but it's impossible carry on a conversation with DD unless you have an hour to verify the accuracy of his posts.
I'm sure I could find it but I'd rather just ask what question you are referring to and I'll try to answer you if I can.
I admit that I have some unanswered questions about parts of Alt's master plan but it's impossible carry on a conversation with DD unless you have an hour to verify the accuracy of his posts.
I'm sure I could find it but I'd rather just ask what question you are referring to and I'll try to answer you if I can.