Valley Forge hunt cancelled
#71
For clarification, VF contains 3500 acres, or 5.5 sq miles. 185 deer (their stabilization goal) equates to 34 dpsm. Have to say that is WAY more than the 5 or 6 set as goals in my WMU's with way better forest health!!!!
#72
We can play word games until the cows come how, but it is a fact that VF and the surrounding development produced a lot of deer ,but only a very small percentage are available to be harvested by hunters. The development in 2B and 5C also results in higher DD than on SGL, but a much smaller percentage of the deer in 2B and 5C are available to be harvested than on SGLs or SFL.
I simply said that there were plenty of deer to be harvested in 2B. You just have to know where to hunt. In the space of less than a page, you've both disputed and inadvertently supported that statement.
Aint me blowin the smoke......
#73
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
Unless you gave he land away, and I wouldn't put it by you to say that you did, then you profited by selling it.
#74
Just to be clear Steel, I didnt say or mean to imply that BB supported a DD of 200 PSM. My point was to point out the folly of his suggestion that VF could support 200 DPSM. Now we all know that any piece of ground could do that but for how long?
My point was and still is that statements like that do not serve anyone well. I understand that he wasnt advocating 200 DPSM but why even use such an outrageous number? His use of it simply undermines his credibility and doesnt help those who support higher but more reasonable numbers either.
My point was and still is that statements like that do not serve anyone well. I understand that he wasnt advocating 200 DPSM but why even use such an outrageous number? His use of it simply undermines his credibility and doesnt help those who support higher but more reasonable numbers either.
#75
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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Did the PGC undermine their credibility with you when they set their ridiculous goals for 5C and 5b. How about when they ignored their goal of 15 dpsm for 2g and then reduced the herd to 8 dpsm? How about when they fraudulently misrepresented the B/D ratio or when they lied about the number of additional buck that would be protected by ARs?
VF is not the only example of how ridiculously low the PGC DMP are. A study conducted in NY showed that the MSY carrying capacity of mixed wood lots and farm land was 95 DPSM while the PGC claimed it was 5 or 6 DPSM.
When the PGC starts telling hunters the truth , I will stop using VF as an example of the true MSY CC of the habitat.
VF is not the only example of how ridiculously low the PGC DMP are. A study conducted in NY showed that the MSY carrying capacity of mixed wood lots and farm land was 95 DPSM while the PGC claimed it was 5 or 6 DPSM.
When the PGC starts telling hunters the truth , I will stop using VF as an example of the true MSY CC of the habitat.
#76
Did the PGC undermine their credibility with you when they set their ridiculous goals for 5C and 5b. How about when they ignored their goal of 15 dpsm for 2g and then reduced the herd to 8 dpsm? How about when they fraudulently misrepresented the B/D ratio or when they lied about the number of additional buck that would be protected by ARs?
VF is not the only example of how ridiculously low the PGC DMP are. A study conducted in NY showed that the MSY carrying capacity of mixed wood lots and farm land was 95 DPSM while the PGC claimed it was 5 or 6 DPSM.
When the PGC starts telling hunters the truth , I will stop using VF as an example of the true MSY CC of the habitat.
VF is not the only example of how ridiculously low the PGC DMP are. A study conducted in NY showed that the MSY carrying capacity of mixed wood lots and farm land was 95 DPSM while the PGC claimed it was 5 or 6 DPSM.
When the PGC starts telling hunters the truth , I will stop using VF as an example of the true MSY CC of the habitat.
So you seem to be saying that you'll stop making ridiculous claims when the PGC uses numbers you like?
#78
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: PA
Posts: 1,149
Take places like VF and treasure lake.Do you guys think the shrubbery at houses is what keeps these deer alive compared to 2G?A deer eats approx 3-6 pounds of browse a day.How many freaking shrubs do these people have?
#79
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Join Date: Sep 2008
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"My point was and still is that statements like that do not serve anyone well. I understand that he wasnt advocating 200 DPSM but why even use such an outrageous number?"
I think he made a very good point. If a piece of land can hold that many, a ridiculous extreme, for ANY amount of time, what are the odds it can't hold a reasonable amount of deer long term? But instead we are told statewide the deer densities must be lower than any other similar "normal state". You are talking 2 extremes. 200 dpsm....and the levels our statewide goals are leaving us with.
I think he made a very good point. If a piece of land can hold that many, a ridiculous extreme, for ANY amount of time, what are the odds it can't hold a reasonable amount of deer long term? But instead we are told statewide the deer densities must be lower than any other similar "normal state". You are talking 2 extremes. 200 dpsm....and the levels our statewide goals are leaving us with.
#80
Just to be clear Steel, I didnt say or mean to imply that BB supported a DD of 200 PSM. My point was to point out the folly of his suggestion that VF could support 200 DPSM. Now we all know that any piece of ground could do that but for how long?
My point was and still is that statements like that do not serve anyone well. I understand that he wasnt advocating 200 DPSM but why even use such an outrageous number? His use of it simply undermines his credibility and doesnt help those who support higher but more reasonable numbers either.
My point was and still is that statements like that do not serve anyone well. I understand that he wasnt advocating 200 DPSM but why even use such an outrageous number? His use of it simply undermines his credibility and doesnt help those who support higher but more reasonable numbers either.