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#61
Now please tell me, and I'm trying to ask here without making this a fight. I happen to respect you and mean you no disrespect and apologize for the neanderthall buffon crap. I'm asking sincerely. Why is a spike or a forkie more important to you than a doe?
#62
It all boils down to seperating private land tags from state land tags. Problem solved.
#63
BTB:
I work hard at my deer hunting. Always have. Scout, schmooze landowners, watch deer, study deer all year long. I mean no disrespect to anyone here but the guys I see beechin loudest in person are the guys who spend maybe 4-24 hours total a year on their deer hunting.
On here the biggest beecher tells us theres no need to scout the off season and that he shouldnt need to change hunting spots. Well, real life just aint like that and the worst complainers I see in person fit the description I just gave to a T.
I know some will disagree but I'm telling it like I'm seeing it from my corner of PA and I'm trying to say it without disrespecting anyone.
I work hard at my deer hunting. Always have. Scout, schmooze landowners, watch deer, study deer all year long. I mean no disrespect to anyone here but the guys I see beechin loudest in person are the guys who spend maybe 4-24 hours total a year on their deer hunting.
On here the biggest beecher tells us theres no need to scout the off season and that he shouldnt need to change hunting spots. Well, real life just aint like that and the worst complainers I see in person fit the description I just gave to a T.
I know some will disagree but I'm telling it like I'm seeing it from my corner of PA and I'm trying to say it without disrespecting anyone.
I got alot to beech about. And it ain't just me. Hunters up here were close to non-existent this year. Those guys spend money and I'm sure the merchants noticed the lack of business. The camp next door to me had 3 guys in this year where they usually have 15. They were all here for turkey and bear season, but decided not to come up for deer because of what they seen during turkey and bear seasons. It's just a matter of time before those guys that didn't come up decide to throw in the towel and stop buying licenses. In my household, we've decided that unless the PGC choses to address the current deer situation at this years January meeting, that we will no longer buy and use a Pa hunting license. That's 2 adult licenses, 2 junior licenses, 4 bear tags, 4 archery tags, 4 M/Ler tags, at least 8 doe tags, and a furtakers license. Now, how many more people are there out there that feel the same as I do and feel the same as the guys at the camp next door do? I bet there's plenty. And if in fact there are only 20% that are unhappy, if those 20% stop purchasing tags, then the PGC is in for a dramatic drop in revenue. When that happens, open the door for state funding. And according everyone that I talk to, that's going to be a very bad thing for hunters in Pa. The fact that this commonwealth is hemmoraging hunters at twice the rate of the rest of the country is very alarming. I think it's high time that guys like you stand back and take a better look at the big picture and start standing up for some of us guys that do hunt our a$$es off, do know what we are looking for as far as habitat goes, and don't expect a deer behind every tree. There's plenty of us out there that have our crap together and have experienced this idiotic overharvest and mismanagement first hand. All we are asking for is a slight slice of the pie.
#64
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"It all boils down to seperating private land tags from state land tags. Problem solved."
Perhaps in your area. But there are alot of wmus that dont have 90% of the wmu made up of state land. The main hunting areas in some wmus are "private" but non-posted open to anyone lands. Thats the case here. They basically are our version of public lands with the same overhunting and low dd's. Public vs. private land tags are definately not a bad idea, but not a cure all statewide.Thats why i believe smaller wmus & allocation adjustments are the #1 answer. If public & private tags were to go along with that, i certainly wouldnt complain.
Perhaps in your area. But there are alot of wmus that dont have 90% of the wmu made up of state land. The main hunting areas in some wmus are "private" but non-posted open to anyone lands. Thats the case here. They basically are our version of public lands with the same overhunting and low dd's. Public vs. private land tags are definately not a bad idea, but not a cure all statewide.Thats why i believe smaller wmus & allocation adjustments are the #1 answer. If public & private tags were to go along with that, i certainly wouldnt complain.
#65
Thats why i believe smaller wmus & allocation adjustments are the #1 answer.
#67
I sure wouldn't mind throwing them a few extra dollars if I seen some of the "tweaking" that we were promised. But the lack of a CAC in the hardest hit WMU is the commonwealth tells me they are stalling for time and in no way shape or form looks like any kind of "tweaking" to me.
#68
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Join Date: Apr 2008
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I work hard at my deer hunting. Always have. Scout, schmooze landowners, watch deer, study deer all year long. I mean no disrespect to anyone here but the guys I see beechin loudest in person are the guys who spend maybe 4-24 hours total a year on their deer hunting.
here the biggest beecher tells us theres no need to scout the off season and that he shouldnt need to change hunting spots. Well, real life just aint like that and the worst complainers I see in person fit the description I just gave to a T.
I know some will disagree but I'm telling it like I'm seeing it from my corner of PA and I'm trying to say it without disrespecting anyone
I know some will disagree but I'm telling it like I'm seeing it from my corner of PA and I'm trying to say it without disrespecting anyone
No you are not just telling us what you are seeing. You are also telling us that the deer management plan is a success and that we are wrong for complaining about what the PGC has done to the herd and the quality of hunting in our areas. You are judging the statewide plan based on your limited observations in a small portion of the state instead of looking at the statewide data that show the plan is a failure.
Last edited by bluebird2; 12-14-2009 at 08:34 AM.